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standard vs. ohlins

Since the ss and sss have been around a couple of years now, I was wondering if any owners out there had owned both models over the period.
If so, I was curious what differences between the Standard and Ohlins suspension was noticed , if any, in terms of ride and handling?

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If you Google search Ducati Supersport review, you'll find lots from the introduction. Testers rode the SS on road and the SSS on track. Most reported their thoughts on the differences in suspension. Many felt that the SS was probably better on the road. Didn't stop me being seduced by those gold bouncy bits though.
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I think the Ohlins require more effort regarding setup and maintenance. But offer superior performance once dialed in. The Marchozzi / Sachs are a little more user friendly but not as precise. They usually don't need service as often. At least that's what I've learned but I've never owned a bike with Ohlins.

The typical deal is to set the sag, then go to the rebound and damper adjustments in increments.

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I think the Ohlins require more effort regarding setup and maintenance. But offer superior performance once dialed in. The Marchozzi / Sachs are a little more user friendly but not as precise. They usually don't need service as often. At least that's what I've learned but I've never owned a bike with Ohlins.

The typical deal is to set the sag, then go to the rebound and damper adjustments in increments.
Canít speak for maintenance but as for dialling in the settings, itís very easy and straightforward on the ÷hlins. Not any more complicated than on other bikes with fully adjustable suspension, in my opinion.

Canít recall anyone doing a straight up comparison between the SSS and SS, but MCN did ride the SSS (with the ÷hlins that is) on the street and compared it to among others, the Panigale, where the SSS came out favourably.

My own experience is that there is no downside to the ÷hlins on the street whatsoever, they can be adjusted to be anywhere from super plush to super firm.
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I don't think there is that much difference in between the two. Vast majority of riders, who will lack the skill, motivation or courage to set up the suspension will be equally served by either. And that being determined more on their body size more than anything else.

Those that will adjust the suspension will find even the "budget version" rather good. Range of adjustment is good and adjusters are easy to use. What is missing from the standard version compared to the ÷hlins one, is the clicks in the adjusters. Also the (rear)shock lacks a compression damping adjustment. Now how important this is to the rider depends on his/hers skill level and preferences. Lack of clicks shouldn't be that big of deal, as the adjustment range is still there, it is just analogue. Compression damping might be important to person who wants to optimise the performance of the bike for instance in a racetrack. I don't think the compression damping adjustment is as important as the rebound in the rear. YMMV.

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I test rode an S model but bought the non-S. I can't say I noticed any big differences in how the suspension performed. I guess if I did a back to back test on both bikes I would notice it but the Marzocchi/Sachs combination works well enough for me.
One point I am aware of from my own experience is that ÷hlins forks are quite prone to leaking seals. I've had to replace seals for a few owners with ÷hlins forks and know of quite a few more whose ÷hlins forks developed leaks from the seals at fairly low mileages. It is supposedly because ÷hlins use a softer seal material to reduce stiction but this at the expense of seal life. That seems reasonable but I can't confirm it.

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very helpful than you
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I think the Ohlins require more effort regarding setup and maintenance. But offer superior performance once dialed in. The Marchozzi / Sachs are a little more user friendly but not as precise. They usually don't need service as often. At least that's what I've learned but I've never owned a bike with Ohlins.

The typical deal is to set the sag, then go to the rebound and damper adjustments in increments.
I donít agree with your comments about servicing, both should be serviced at similar intervals. Suspension cycles donít know if you are using Sachs/ Marzocchi or Ohlins.

Setup is setup. Setting sag is setting sag. Damping is set and try. No real difference in initial setup commitment.

So, Ohlins or not? To me it was a no brainer, Iím buying a motorcycle with legendary handling. $2kAUD, itís a bargain. But I like Italian suits, Islay single malts and Southern Vales reds. I want my skills lacking, not to say I wish I bought the higher spec.

The Supersport is everything I ever wanted from a motorcycle. The Ohlins suspension is part of that. My wife is looking at the Diavel 1260, to me she should only get the Ohlins equiped version, anything else is a compromise.

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@theresanothersteve : fully agree with you mate!
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I donít agree with your comments about servicing, both should be serviced at similar intervals. Suspension cycles donít know if you are using Sachs/ Marzocchi or Ohlins.

Setup is setup. Setting sag is setting sag. Damping is set and try. No real difference in initial setup commitment.

So, Ohlins or not? To me it was a no brainer, Iím buying a motorcycle with legendary handling. $2kAUD, itís a bargain. But I like Italian suits, Islay single malts and Southern Vales reds. I want my skills lacking, not to say I wish I bought the higher spec.

The Supersport is everything I ever wanted from a motorcycle. The Ohlins suspension is part of that. My wife is looking at the Diavel 1260, to me she should only get the Ohlins equiped version, anything else is a compromise.
I guess we can disagree. You might check the comment above mentioning leaky fork seals. I've seen that as much more common with Ohlins. Most riders don't change fluid regularly with little consequence in my experience, no so much for the Ohlins.

As I said, it might make sense to have an Ohlins specialist handy.

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