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Track 101: Dave Moss on Brake, Gas, Turn

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Coincidentally I watched that video earlier today before seeing it posted here, no disrespect but I prefer other videos from other advisors when it comes to riding styles. Motogp tech section videos show the top riders doing differently.
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Possible to highlight some of the differences?

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So this guy doesn't recommend trail braking? It's MSF approach. I didn't catch anything about engine braking but I am guessing he's against it.

I have some questions about the suspension set up too. He seems to go with under inflated tires countered with heavy preload. I suppose that is great for the track (I have no opinion about it) but not for the street I agree with the owner's manual for air pressure (and usually add a couple lbs more) and keep the suspension compliant.
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For 45 of my 47 years of riding I'd have agreed with DM. I took pride in hardly using my brakes, and would give anyone whose brake light flashed at every corner a wide gap. I still think that riding a country road purely on throttle is great for teaching you to look far ahead and read the road. But Nick Ienatsch has taught me the benefit and importance of trail braking. These days I consider it a mistake to enter a blind corner without my brake light on.
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DM also contradicts some of the things said in the “slide” vid, posted earlier.

In the end, imo, there is no one way fits all, “cook book recipe” for performance riding...

These are all tools to have at the ready depending on so many environmental factors that vary between among and street and track riding that the rider needs to assess.

And, from my personal perspective, the most important thing is to maximize enjoyment of the ride, not necessarily speed.

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These are all tools to have at the ready depending on so many environmental
factors that vary between among and street and track riding that the rider needs to assess.


True, but if you're not trail braking, or at least covering the brakes, when you see the need you might be too late.


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Dave Moss knows what he is talking about but in this case it is easy to pic holes with what he is saying. Eg as people have mentioned (trail Braking) I have seen many clips where he is advocating the use of trail braking. I think this video needs to be taken into contents with the people he is / coaching. They don't seem to be ready to introduce trail breaking. I think the main point is that from his tyre read he can tell that the rider is coasting on the corner and powering hard after. I don't like his term Brake Power turn as it invites people to accelerate around a corner when he means to maintain Drive around the corner. I love seeing Guys not built for bikes riding bikes on track
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