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I find it interesting and maybe slightly confusing that they list the bike at 129hp and all I keep reading and hearing everyone say it as 152, which Ducati does do on their website:

https://www.ducati.com/us/en/bikes/m.../monster-1200r

I know there’s a difference in rwhp, engine hp and “claimed” hp but I’ve not seen a 23 hp difference because driveline loss is usually around 10% not 20% and you look foolish claiming such a high number when it can be proven easily in a dyno what is really happening.

So if the 1200 in reality is 130hp, and the 937 I've seen printed like 105hp at the rear wheel, it’s not an earth shattering difference as originally presented. I mean, 25hp is nothing to sneeze at but I thought it was 100 vs. 150.

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I find it interesting and maybe slightly confusing that they list the bike at 129hp and all I keep reading and hearing everyone say it as 152, which Ducati does do on their website:url]https://www.ducati.com/us/en/bikes/monster/monster-1200r[/url]

I know there’s a difference in rwhp, engine hp and “claimed” hp but I’ve not seen a 23 hp difference because driveline loss is usually around 10% not 20% and you look foolish claiming such a high number when it can be proven easily in a dyno what is really happening. So if the 1200 in reality is 130hp, and the 937 I've seen printed like 105hp at the rear wheel, it’s not an earth shattering difference as originally presented. I mean, 25hp is nothing to sneeze at but I thought it was 100 vs. 150.
You referenced the website for the Monster R, which I recall as being 160 HP. Regardless, every dyno will produce slightly different numbers. The only valid comparison is one bike versus another on the same dyno, preferably on the same day (air temperature/barometric pressure). And I think our SS is advertised at 110 HP, not 100.

As a former Monster 1200 owner I think the focus on HP is misguided - the 1200 message is TORQUE and plenty of it. I liked that aspect of the bike, but I didn't care for the 80 MPH windblast of a naked bike (I'd forgotten what that was like), plus I prefer the look of a sportbike, hence the SS.
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I find it interesting and maybe slightly confusing that they list the bike at 129hp and all I keep reading and hearing everyone say it as 152, which Ducati does do on their website:

https://www.ducati.com/us/en/bikes/m.../monster-1200r

I know there’s a difference in rwhp, engine hp and “claimed” hp but I’ve not seen a 23 hp difference because driveline loss is usually around 10% not 20% and you look foolish claiming such a high number when it can be proven easily in a dyno what is really happening.

So if the 1200 in reality is 130hp, and the 937 I've seen printed like 105hp at the rear wheel, it’s not an earth shattering difference as originally presented. I mean, 25hp is nothing to sneeze at but I thought it was 100 vs. 150.
The 2014 base model was 120 something. My SS1200 pulled 148.9 on the dyno after tuning.
I have done more work on it and it does feel punchier so I'm thinking of doing another dyno tune but using a different dyno bed to the last runs.

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I find it interesting and maybe slightly confusing that they list the bike at 129hp and all I keep reading and hearing everyone say it as 152, which Ducati does do on their website:

https://www.ducati.com/us/en/bikes/m.../monster-1200r

I know there’s a difference in rwhp, engine hp and “claimed” hp but I’ve not seen a 23 hp difference because driveline loss is usually around 10% not 20% and you look foolish claiming such a high number when it can be proven easily in a dyno what is really happening.

So if the 1200 in reality is 130hp, and the 937 I've seen printed like 105hp at the rear wheel, it’s not an earth shattering difference as originally presented. I mean, 25hp is nothing to sneeze at but I thought it was 100 vs. 150.
My SS with its akra race and ducati upmap only pulled 98hp on the dyno. After rapid bike tuning on the same dyno on the same day it got 108.5hp. The SS1200 with rapid bike on the same dyno bed as the previous SS runs pulled 148.9hp. Not sure where you're finding your numbers but they seem off.
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My SS with its akra race and ducati upmap only pulled 98hp on the dyno. After rapid bike tuning on the same dyno on the same day it got 108.5hp. The SS1200 with rapid bike on the same dyno bed as the previous SS runs pulled 148.9hp. Not sure where you're finding your numbers but they seem off.
Ducati’s website shows 152 for the 1200, 110 for the Supersport. I’ve also seen as much as 113 claimed for the Supersport.

The Motorcyclist article listed above had 129 on their dyno, most SS dyno runs show around 100 rwhp from what I’ve seen, here’s a link to one:


I’m well aware that dynos vary, I’m just pointing out what I have seen. I trust the Motorcyclist dyno figures.

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