What kind off problems are you alluding to? False neutral and hard to find neutral have been discussed countless times. Fix being building mileage, adjusting clutch lever tension, adjusting gear foot lever and shifting firm on the gear foot lever.
What kind off problems are you alluding to? False neutral and hard to find neutral have been discussed countless times. Fix being building mileage, adjusting clutch lever tension, adjusting gear foot lever and shifting firm on the gear foot lever.Lots of chatter about DQS equipped bikes on other threads, and I haven't had time to go through every thread on this forum yet. I don't mean DQS bikes being shifted manually, but are there any reporting shift problems on bikes w/o the DQS system?
I really don't like the DQS for street riding. It's nowhere near as smooth or precise as a good manual shift. I can see using it for racing, but this is a far cry from a racebike.
I don't know where you got this information, but my experience with the DQS has been outstanding. One could argue that it isn't needed on the street, but it works very well. Just make sure you are on the throttle during upshifts, and off the throttle for downshifts.I really don't like the DQS for street riding. It's nowhere near as smooth or precise as a good manual shift. I can see using it for racing, but this is a far cry from a racebike.
I meant to title this thread "...manual shifting BIKES" but I couldn't edit the title. I should have called it ''Non-DQS equipped bikes", because that's what I meant. After looking through threads on shifting problems I can't find any that state that the bike in question is identified as a Non-DQS machine.What kind off problems are you alluding to? False neutral and hard to find neutral have been discussed countless times. Fix being building mileage, adjusting clutch lever tension, adjusting gear foot lever and shifting firm on the gear foot lever.
I'm not alluding to any particular problem, nor am I having any problem with the DQS. I just don't like the way it shifts, and can feel it operating even when I'm shifting manually, making for notchy, clunky shifts. I'd like to be able to make smoother more precise shifts manually to save wear and tear on the gearbox, so am considering removing it. Anyone want a good deal on an almost-new DQS system?What kind off problems are you alluding to?...
Admittedly I'd prefer not having DQS involved in my shifting process, but I'm not attacking the DQS system or its proponents, I'm trying to get information. That is the point of this Forum, no? DQS is a racing system on a touring bike, and my information is based on my own experience, having ridden and raced many bikes both with and without QS.I don't know where you got this information, but my experience with the DQS has been outstanding. One could argue that it isn't needed on the street, but it works very well. Just make sure you are on the throttle during upshifts, and off the throttle for downshifts.
I have a non-DQS and what mentioned was related to it. I have no experience on the DQS, even though I test rode one, cause i shifted manually due to habit.I meant to title this thread "...manual shifting BIKES" but I couldn't edit the title. I should have called it ''Non-DQS equipped bikes", because that's what I meant. After looking through threads on shifting problems I can't find any that state that the bike in question is identified as a Non-DQS machine.
I'm not alluding to any particular problem, nor am I having any problem with the DQS. I just don't like the way it shifts, and can feel it operating even when I'm shifting manually, making for notchy, clunky shifts. I'd like to be able to make smoother more precise shifts manually to save wear and tear on the gearbox, so am considering removing it. Anyone want a good deal on an almost-new DQS system?
But I'd like to know if any problems are more common to DQS bikes or if they show up in both models. In other words, which problems are mechanical and inherent to the clutch/transmission, which are due to rider techniques or poor adjustment and which are caused by the DQS system?
Cool! So is there any consensus among Non-DQS bike owners? Any common shift problems other than hard-to-find-neutral? (Hint: slip it into neutral with the clutch engaged while still rolling)I have a non-DQS and what mentioned was related to it. I have no experience on the DQS, even though I test rode one, cause i shifted manually due to habit.
I agree with your summary BW1 (Eww, ticks), and since this thread took off in a DQS direction for a while I might as well jump in too.Many of the issues are because of not having the bike set up correctly. Lowering the shift lever got rid of DQS issues for most of us. It's a new bike and people are working thru the quriks. Taking the time to learn the bike will resolve most issues. The only ones that we are still working on are the mirror and a plastic bumper on the non S model. Other than that the bike is stellar.
Amazing! That's what I read about in the manual today. :grin2: Turned it OFF, discovered that the gearbox is simply harsh. It slams into gear. It actually seemed to help turning the DQS back on, and like you, I shifted over the DQS and it seemed less harsh. Subjective I know, but I'll keep working on it.I have DQS, but use it selectively... depending on conditions.
Rather than remove it, consider turning up or down, or both, off electronically through the provided user control functionalities.
Topic renamed.....let me know if that works!I meant to title this thread "...manual shifting BIKES" but I couldn't edit the title. I should have called it ''Non-DQS equipped bikes", because that's what I meant. After looking through threads on shifting problems I can't find any that state that the bike in question is identified as a Non-DQS machine.
I'm not alluding to any particular problem, nor am I having any problem with the DQS. I just don't like the way it shifts, and can feel it operating even when I'm shifting manually, making for notchy, clunky shifts. I'd like to be able to make smoother more precise shifts manually to save wear and tear on the gearbox, so am considering removing it. Anyone want a good deal on an almost-new DQS system?
But I'd like to know if any problems are more common to DQS bikes or if they show up in both models. In other words, which problems are mechanical and inherent to the clutch/transmission, which are due to rider techniques or poor adjustment and which are caused by the DQS system?
Not much room for error w/the DQS linkage adjustment. Check what others have done to improve shifting. It looks like adjusting the angle of the foot shift lever down gives improved power and accuracy in the shift.O.K. A bit of complexity in shifting the DQS bike, and an idea of why even shifting w/the DQS OFF can feel a little indirect.
Not a lot of room to play with on the S model w/DQS. They call the linkage from the shift lever to the countershaft shift arm the GEARBOX TRANSMISSION ROD ASSEMBLY, which fits into the DETECTOR unit up front, and there must be damping spring inside the Detector ASSBLY to prevent the Rod from bouncing, which would cause the engine to cut out intermittently.
Close ups are of the Shift rod and Shift Detector in action. Images are, from left to right:
1)Shifter at rest.
2 On downshift the rod appears to lengthen as it extends from the Detector Assbly in front.
3)On upshift the rod appears to shorten as it plunges into the Detector.
The base model uses a conventional solid rod w/heim joints at either end called a GEARBOX DRIVING ROD. This makes for a direct mechanical linkage with slightly shorter throw since it doesn't have to move that small distance in/out of a Detector and no springs are involved.