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Don't know if they are still the same, but earlier Bazaaz set ups for Ducs did not have separate maps for each cylinder. Despite what Bazaaz contends, there is a reason Ducati does it that way.
 

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Don't know if they are still the same, but earlier Bazaaz set ups for Ducs did not have separate maps for each cylinder. Despite what Bazaaz contends, there is a reason Ducati does it that way.
If I understand you correctly, the horizontal and vertical have different mapping. If so, well there's some meat to get the teeth into.
 

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Yes, cylinder dependent maps. PowerCommander accommodates that but I do not know if they support the SS939 yet. Safe bet that they are planning to access a SS939 to verify the harness lengths and connector configurations. Once that happens, MAPs will begin to appear.

My experience is that the PCV along with the AutoTune option was ideal. Just pricey unless you compare it to a dyno tune. Down side to a dyno tune is that it is a onetime event. The AutoTune takes longer to develop a tune, but it can provide readings every ride and give you the option to accept them or not.

What are you wanting to address re the mapping?
 

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Look up Rapidbike Evo module. They do not eliminate the O2 sensor on the bike. Bazzaz and PC both eliminate the O2 sensor, which takes away from the adaptive learning of the ECU.

With Rapidbike Evo module you keep the O2 sensors meaning you keep the adaptive learning function as well. This ensures that the bike runs properly in all conditions and not in just 1 set condition where your tune would be for in other fuel controllers (conditions like temprature, barometric air pressure, humidity etc...).
 

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Look up Rapidbike Evo module. They do not eliminate the O2 sensor on the bike. Bazzaz and PC both eliminate the O2 sensor, which takes away from the adaptive learning of the ECU.

With Rapidbike Evo module you keep the O2 sensors meaning you keep the adaptive learning function as well. This ensures that the bike runs properly in all conditions and not in just 1 set condition where your tune would be for in other fuel controllers (conditions like temprature, barometric air pressure, humidity etc...).
There's a wideband and narrow band sensor, I thought these systems use the narrow band fitment to read the AFR.
 

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Yes, cylinder dependent maps. PowerCommander accommodates that but I do not know if they support the SS939 yet. Safe bet that they are planning to access a SS939 to verify the harness lengths and connector configurations. Once that happens, MAPs will begin to appear.

My experience is that the PCV along with the AutoTune option was ideal. Just pricey unless you compare it to a dyno tune. Down side to a dyno tune is that it is a onetime event. The AutoTune takes longer to develop a tune, but it can provide readings every ride and give you the option to accept them or not.

What are you wanting to address re the mapping?
Correct, the PC-V is not yet available for the SS. No 2017 Ducati models are prepared yet. What I liked about the Bazzaz is that it can read the existing setting per gear etc and then allows the amendments.
I would prefer tuning it for a longer 2nd by reducing the AFR. Not even sure if it's possible with any of the units but certainly worth a try. My concern will also be the DTC settings since these are linked to the fuel settings and I fear that playing with the AFR's / tuning could open a can of worms. I do like the autotune tool. So waiting for the PC-V might be on the cards.
 

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There's a wideband and narrow band sensor, I thought these systems use the narrow band fitment to read the AFR.
Power Commander and Bazzaz only operate under open loop. You lose the ECU's closed loop fueling function when you install a piggy back system such as Bazzaz and Power Commander. This is why Rapidbike is superior to those two units, since you retain the closed loop function of the ECU.
 

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Power Commander and Bazzaz only operate under open loop. You lose the ECU's closed loop fueling function when you install a piggy back system such as Bazzaz and Power Commander. This is why Rapidbike is superior to those two units, since you retain the closed loop function of the ECU.
Ok, have read up on it and it is pretty neat. Has all functions dreamable providing it is combined with the correct accessory.
What do you recommend as a minimum, in terms of a kit.
Also, what price would I be looking at.

No EVO for the SS yet. No 2017 models yet available, any idea when you think they will typically be released. From your experience, 5 months after sales launch or 12 months. I see there are only few 2016 models represented.
 

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Ok, have read up on it and it is pretty neat. Has all functions dreamable providing it is combined with the correct accessory.
What do you recommend as a minimum, in terms of a kit.
Also, what price would I be looking at.

No EVO for the SS yet. No 2017 models yet available, any idea when you think they will typically be released. From your experience, 5 months after sales launch or 12 months. I see there are only few 2016 models represented.
They are currently under development, no ETA has been released yet, however I assume shouldn't be too long since Rapidbike itself is an Italian company.
 
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