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Mmmm I don't know yet ? maybe the cable colour should be black as to not be so conspicuous ? Good find though. have you done a cable to clutch before, what do you think the benefits are mainly feel ?
 

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Meh...I like it as is, right now. Would be interested to see someone make it happen, though.
 

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I'm actually surprised by the cable clutch which works well and of course, the quickshifter has been terrific. In some sense why change? Nevertheless I'm partial to the hydraulic clutch and the cost will add up quick! Why not go the full distance? ;.0 https://motowheels.com/i-23900453-d...ne-conversion-kit-ducati-supersport-2017.html

Not to divert the thread but, I can attest that the Ducabike clear clutch case cover is nice as I have it on another Ducati.
 

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I only use the clutch for pull off, rest of the time it's the DQS. Ok so I have been riding quite long, perhaps not as long as some of our friends in here. I have horrible memories of cables snapping at the worst time possible, in fact there is never a good time for a cable to snap... My preference is hydraulic. With that said, I will not be going ahead with this conversion, at least not until after the warranty runs out.
 

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That sharp bend after the lever is a reliability concern, however I'm sure it's quite a special cable that's fitted.
But hydraulic clutches are usually lighter to use and the effort more linear. Could be a consideration for the future. Good find.
 

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I only use the clutch for pull off, rest of the time it's the DQS. Ok so I have been riding quite long, perhaps not as long as some of our friends in here. I have horrible memories of cables snapping at the worst time possible, in fact there is never a good time for a cable to snap... My preference is hydraulic. With that said, I will not be going ahead with this conversion, at least not until after the warranty runs out.
I have mostly preferred a hydro clutch because of the cable breaking issue as well, but my Monster's clutch has overheating issues if I have it pulled in too long. Eventually I learned to prevent that from happening, which is by pulling it in just to shift, but sometimes I wish I had a cable because of this. The cable breakage can be avoided by replacing the cable regularly.
 

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I have mostly preferred a hydro clutch because of the cable breaking issue as well, but my Monster's clutch has overheating issues if I have it pulled in too long. Eventually I learned to prevent that from happening, which is by pulling it in just to shift, but sometimes I wish I had a cable because of this. The cable breakage can be avoided by replacing the cable regularly.
The overheating you mentioned, what do you think is the cause of that. Honestly I have never heard of such a risk / complaint.
 

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I don't know. My guess: the clutch rod is picking up heat from friction somewhere inside and transferring that heat to the slave cylinder where the brake fluid begins to reach boiling point. The problem is I don't know where that heat is being created, although I can guess at the plates, but why? I ride this bike like I have all my other bikes that had the same system, so it's not user error.

I'm going to test it again, because I did replace the slave cylinder and haven't tested it by holding in the clutch since I found out it was a problem.
 

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The price seems suspect for the parts that are necessary. Things that appear to be missing - brake master, pressure plate, each of which can cost upwards of $150 USD. The whole project can (and has been) done using OEM Ducati parts from a Monster 1200.

Hydraulic clutches can be "tuned" for feel by varying the size of the slave cylinder and/or using an RCS style master. They require maintenance of fluid replacement every 24 months. They DO allow for a wider range of lever placement and ergonomics at the bar. This last point is the only one that interests me. I agree with Amos - I only use the clutch when starting out, 90% of my remaining shifts are with DQS. I do hate that I can't get the lever lower though.
 

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Yeah, a full conversion will probably run over a grand, depending on where you get your parts. The clear Ducabike clutch cover for my Evo runs around $650, not including internals that I may want to change.

I probably change my brake fluid 2-3 times a year to keep it clean. It only takes a few minutes with a hand held vacuum pump. Keep this in mind if you want to do the conversion.
 

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i recognize cable clutch is not progressive,

When i 'm riding i use only dqs and use clutch only for start and stop.

Ducabike do nice accessories but i think this hydraulic clutch is not essential.
 

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I don't know. My guess: the clutch rod is picking up heat from friction somewhere inside and transferring that heat to the slave cylinder where the brake fluid begins to reach boiling point. The problem is I don't know where that heat is being created, although I can guess at the plates, but why? I ride this bike like I have all my other bikes that had the same system, so it's not user error.

I'm going to test it again, because I did replace the slave cylinder and haven't tested it by holding in the clutch since I found out it was a problem.
Okay I see your point, with the cylinder being directly mounted to the casing I can agree there will be some heat transfer. When they put the akra race exhaust system on, they heat shield wrap the brake cylinder reservoir which is around 7cm from the exhaust. So having the cylinder directly mounted to the casing will certainly get hot. Cheers..good point.
 

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Okay I see your point, with the cylinder being directly mounted to the casing I can agree there will be some heat transfer. When they put the akra race exhaust system on, they heat shield wrap the brake cylinder reservoir which is around 7cm from the exhaust. So having the cylinder directly mounted to the casing will certainly get hot. Cheers..good point.
Could be friction from the push rod spinning on the slave piston and could be the push rod spinning the slave piston, in my monster 1100 evo this has been overcome by a pin in the pushrod that locates in a recess on the slave cylinder side that stops the pushrod spinning eliminating both potential problems. got to be careful you dont loose it when taking the slave off for cleaning.
 

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Whilst I had my SS at the dealer yesterday for the heat shield (which does not fit on the akra race) I investigated the effort and cost to convert to hydraulic. Clutch housing is different but pressure plate is the same. Obviously the lever, master and slave cylinders are needed along with the piping and other small bits. Anyway the cost just is not worth the effort considering I only use the clutch for pull off.
 

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I got my 2017 Supersport S in April, 2017, as soon as they were available. At almost 73 I've had about 35 bikes, 9 of them Ducatis. Having "grown up" with cable clutches, when hydraulic clutches became common I discovered that I enjoyed the smother, more progressive actuation immensely. Considering that my last 3 Ducatis (2 monsters and a 907ie) had hydraulic clutches I was quite disappointed to find my new SS sporting a cable actuated clutch, where the left and right levers didn't even match--clearly a parts bin choice. Quite chintzy for an otherwise expensive and classy bike (the other disappointment is their failure to include high intensity headlights). As have many others, I have learned to work around the initial grabbyness, however as an old fashioned rider who still gets a cheap thrill with the coordination of clutch and throttle for every shift, I haven't taken to the quickshifter. So I finally decided to have the hydraulic kit installed, which was done by Boulder Motorsports, our premier Ducati performance shop here in Boulder, Colorado. They even matched the hydraulic line and the fluid reservoir, and viola, the levers now match! Total cost was just over a grand.

The difference is dramatic--light touch, progressive and smooth as butter, no glitch anywhere. A delight!

Other than this, the SS is at my tender age, a dream come true. The bike fits me like a glove and zipping along the endless mountain roads outside of Boulder on the light and totally predictable SS makes me feel like I rode 30 years ago!
 

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Hi, thanks for the post.
I think this is something I may now consider.
Good luck and keep riding for many more years to come.
 

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...however as an old fashioned rider who still gets a cheap thrill with the coordination of clutch and throttle for every shift, I haven't taken to the quickshifter.
Well said, Sir. I can understand your feelings on this...I use it, but not often. Old habits are hard to break...and I don't see the point during normal riding.

The difference is dramatic--light touch, progressive and smooth as butter, no glitch anywhere. A delight!

Other than this, the SS is at my tender age, a dream come true. The bike fits me like a glove and zipping along the endless mountain roads outside of Boulder on the light and totally predictable SS makes me feel like I rode 30 years ago!
Do you have any pictures you could share with us? This is, to me, a true upgrade that I feel I could feel and use in everyday life...as opposed to, say, an exhaust. Any part numbers or brand?
 

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I am not long back from a short trip on the Supersport to the west of Scotland to stay with relatives, something I do 4/5 times a year, but the first trip on my Supersport. The trip entails doing a good bit of mileage on single track roads where you can be up and down the box a number of times in a few hundred yards no matter what vehicle you are driving, especially if you're stuck behind some a*s*, (sorry, fellow road user), crawling along, while you're trying to get to work or somewhere, who doesn't understand or have the courtesy to pull into the well sign posted passing places, I digress, that gripe is for another time.


Sorry rant over!, I was starting to feel a bit of pain in my left wrist after using the clutch quite a lot, I do have a metal plate in my left arm, so that may have had a bearing on it. I had a look at the angle of my fingers from the grip to the lever and wondered if I could angle the lever down a bit to make the operation a bit smoother, so I loosened the clamp and dropped the angle a bit, there wasn't much of a drop to play with but I gave it a go and on the journey back I felt it so much easier with not an ounce of pain. Was it psychological?, maybe, but I felt it certainly helped with the operation of the clutch.


I'm not, for one instance, saying it is a magic fix but it may be worth trying if anyone is finding multiple uses of the clutch painful.
 
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