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Some of us in this group have replaced their SS with a V2. Having done so myself I thought for giggles I'd try my hand at a comparison of the two



Supersport SSS vs Panigale V2



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The first thing I’ll mention is that almost all of the people in the large group of people that ride together never even noticed I traded bikes. Both the V2 and the Supersport are drop dead gorgeous - the kind of bike you turn around to look back at when you’re walking away. In the looks department I’d say it’s a draw.



Service - the Supersport has a bit longer service interval between major services so I’d give the edge to the SS here.



Suspension- Both are well suspended bikes, with top notch dampers on both ends. The SSS has some high end Ohlins damping on each end while the V2 uses a Showa fork and Sachs shock.

As far as the action, my Supersport was not a well suspended bike until I enlisted the help of Dave Moss for some tuning guidance. The Ohlins fork felt skittish across the many tar strips on our backroads and the back end was too bouncy. The thing was ABYSMAL on rough pavement at any velocity and often speed wobbled badly while on it. At one point while travelling at a higher speed a short section of small bumps nearly put me into a tank slapper. I’ll note my riding buddies ZX6KRT did not exhibit this disconcerting trait on the same bit of road. Mr Moss's guidance really helped, but some product manager at Ducati deserves a flogging for not putting a steering damper on the SS from the factory.

Using the settings from Moss I was able to largely tame this but it never fully went away. Overall I’d say the SS has good suspenders that work significantly better if you take the time to tune it to your weight and riding habits.

As for the V2, Ducati seems to have nailed it right out of the box as there’s none of the SS’s poor behavior on rough patches or crossing train tracks. Off the showroom floor it’s much better for me than the SS. Both ends seem better balanced and the bike more stable. Dave’s tuning advice only improved the suspension action from its already strong starting point.

Having said all that I’m going to blame/lay the wobble at the feet of the Supersports geometry and lack of a steering damper.
My thoughts are the Ohlins on the SS are very slightly better dampers than the pair on the V2 - but only slightly.



Handling

This one's not even close. The V2s shorter wheelbase, tighter geometry, sportier riding position and lighter weight puts the V2 ahead in every corner, lane change and passing situation. As good a handling bike as the Supersport is, the V2 is just so easy to ride that it’s far ahead of the SSS in every handling area. If I had to describe it the V2 feels like my old 1974 CR125 Elsinore, light, flickable, easy to turn and very predictable.



Comfort.

The V2 is more comfortable than I expected, and when in a tuck it has a far more comfortable longer cockpit that allows you to hug the tank for a longer period than the SS.
The SS however with its more upright seating position holds the winning hand for comfort. You can ride the SS for hours and not need to see your chiropractor afterwards.I did a 500 Km ride on it and was still fresh when I returned home - The SS is a delight on extended trips

For their intended purposes they're equal, however since few of us race our bikes the winner in this category is the SS.



Engine
Note -My SS had a full Akropovic and up map

You know that amazing torque the SS makes when you roll it on at 5000 rpm in fifth gear to pass a car? The torque that lunges you forward? The V2 has NONE of it. The Supersport pulls like a tractor when you gas it at lower RPM- If you could get the traction you could probably use the SS to pull stumps.
The somewhat noisy engine has all the torque from what almost feels like an idle, sad it stops pulling at 10,000 rpm as it would be a more enjoyable bike to whip speed with.

By comparison the V2 shows it’s race bike prowess by being scorchingly fast - when it’s on the pipe. The thing really winds and as the tach sweeps upwards it just pulls harder and harder and the sound is an aural delight. If you're not on the pipe when you gas it the bike is a bog,zap,shift proposition. Having said that when you're above 7000 rpm the V2 is an absolute beast with arm stretching acceleration. I can only imagine what a V4 must feel like as you wind it out. V4 owners must be crazy because if you need more power than the V2 you either need an analyst or a cage - maybe both.



Transmission
Hahahahahaha- My SS had the absolutely worst transmission of any of the different bikes I've owned. My 1973 Honda 50 shifted better and it's three speed auto clutch tranny wasn't renowned for its shift quality. False neutrals on the 6 to 5 downshift on the SS happened every time out. When your darting into a corner and shift down and it false neutrals it scares the crap out of you. Add the occasional miss shift under acceleration from 2-3 and the ghosty neutral in general and the Transmission is exposed as the weakest link in the Supersport chain.

The tranny in the V2 is a delight, it allows the rider to snick through the gears both up and down with confidence. FWIW the Hydraulic clutch on the V2 is smoother and less grabby - especially when cold.



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The V2 has no fuel guage, what's up with that?

The V2 has MUCH better headlights than the Supersport - but that's really not saying much as they still ain't great.

I prefer the larger "dash" on the SS to the smaller unit the V2 has as well. The larger suite of nannies on the V2 give it a edge on electronic road safety.

The SS has a dimmer for the LED DRLs the V2 lacks.

They both come with excellent Pirelli tires that hook up very well.

The mirrors on the SS are beyond horrible, useless is an apt word to describe them. The V2 mirrors could be a bit wider spaced but at least they are usable.

My SS drank oil, lots of it. I was constantly topping it up after every ride. I did a 500 KM ride in August - it was full when I left. when I got home it was on the low mark.

So after all this, in my opinion this duel has no loser. Both of these red rockets are top of their class for their intended purpose. If you're looking for a short trip, flickable bike choose the V2. The SS as a touring bike with an edge is unbeatable - Ladies and gentleman, choose your weapons.
 

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Nice write up, thanks for taking the time to write up and post.

My short experience on a V2 was similar, quite an amazing bike!!! The one I rode also was equipped with Akra and upmap, and it had a nice rush to red line, that is not present in the SS. I didn’t really miss the lower end torque much on the V2...but I tend to ride in the upper rev range.

With my SS I haven’t experienced any head shake or need for a steering damper under quite a variety of riding and environmental conditions. But maybe that’s because I’m a lighter than average rider(?).

Also, the tranny on my SS is sublime. The only time I had any trouble was when the clutch pressure was way off, and once that was adjusted, all was fine again. And actually not the tranny causing the problem.

Thanks again for the comparo! Hope you’ll stay with us!

Looking forward, hopefully, to a long term V2 writeup!!!
 

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Thanks for write up, good honest review.

I too have ridden my SSS hard on the stock settings but I’m heavier than the average bear without experiencing any signs of headshake and it’s even better now that I’ve upgraded the springs to my weight and replaced the tires. I do know my oem Diablo’s were getting a tick squirrelly here towards the end but still I never had it shake. At all. But then again my “hard riding” definition is more “hard” cornering, braking and acceleration out of the corners and not top speed runs chasing other riders on public roads that are notoriously bumpy at high speeds. I’m not much of a group rider guy so that may be the difference.

Very weird, though.....

Glad you like the V2; as much as it would be a great bike, it doesn’t fit with how I ride now. Enjoy!!!
 

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Very interesting, thanks for the write up. Just about to pull the trigger on a V2 myself, the engine and box is sublime, totally fed up with the terrible gearbox on the SS and constant recalls.

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Very interesting, thanks for the write up. Just about to pull the trigger on a V2 myself, the engine and box is sublime, totally fed up with the terrible gearbox on the SS and constant recalls.

Matt
Terrible gearbox? Constant recalls??? Geez, you make our beloved bikes sound like abysmal abominations. They are not. I have logged almost 27k miles on my bike, it has never let me down. Sure, there have been a couple of bump as far as recalls, but hey, most vehicles go thru this. If I were to ***** about anything, it would be the piss poor service I keep getting from my dealership. Other than that, I looove my bike.
 

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I really like the look of the V2, but haven't tried it yet. The gearbox is dodgy at times, but nothing too major, or too often, so I'm happy with it. I am surprised to hear about the oil problem. I've never had to top up and at my annual service the oil is always a decent colour. But then again, I only do 3-4k miles a year.

Anyway, thanks for the very good write up, enjoyed reading it (y)
 

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Terrible gearbox? Constant recalls??? Geez, you make our beloved bikes sound like abysmal abominations. They are not. I have logged almost 27k miles on my bike, it has never let me down. Sure, there have been a couple of bump as far as recalls, but hey, most vehicles go thru this. If I were to * about anything, it would be the piss poor service I keep getting from my dealership. Other than that, I looove my bike.
It is pretty poor for a brand new bike to jump out of gear. I ride 50 year old British bikes that have more reliable gearbox's than the SS. The clutch is terribly snatchy until any mods are done. The rear brake didn't work on mine for 3 years until Ducati finally admitted there was a recall. The fuel gauge failed. The standard rims have defects. The mirrors are useless. The harness and fuel pipes fret.

I am not knocking the bike so don't take it negatively as I love riding the thing when it works but I don't see it as a success for Ducati as simple stuff like that shouldn't happen.

When you compare it to the V2 the SS faults really show up.

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Matt, I have to wonder whether the dealer prep and service has been a factor for a bike with so many problems off the showroom floor?
 

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Thanks for the writeup. There's no excuse to top up the oil after a daily ride, that's nuts and Ducati should have recalled the bike. I feel badly for the next owner.

I don't have the S model but am pretty happy with the ride and suspension when my bike was delivered. I did ask the dealer to set the sag for my weight before I picked it up. My only adjustment was to take a round of rebound from the rear shock. I am surprised that your bike needed a steering damper. My bike is totally stable. I can lock the throttle and go down the road with no hand on the bars for a distance. Hard for me to understand issues that are completely different from my bike.

The new sportsbike sounds great. Congrats.
 

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It is pretty poor for a brand new bike to jump out of gear. I ride 50 year old British bikes that have more reliable gearbox's than the SS.

Matt
I agree - Cooking into a corner and it blowing the 6-5 downshift 20% of the time is rather stressful. Never mind the Oil use and other quibbles.
 

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Some of us in this group have replaced their SS with a V2. Having done so myself I thought for giggles I'd try my hand at a comparison of the two



Supersport SSS vs Panigale V2



Here we go.



Looks/Style



The first thing I’ll mention is that almost all of the people in the large group of people that ride together never even noticed I traded bikes. Both the V2 and the Supersport are drop dead gorgeous - the kind of bike you turn around to look back at when you’re walking away. In the looks department I’d say it’s a draw.



Service - the Supersport has a bit longer service interval between major services so I’d give the edge to the SS here.



Suspension- Both are well suspended bikes, with top notch dampers on both ends. The SSS has some high end Ohlins damping on each end while the V2 uses a Showa fork and Sachs shock.

As far as the action, my Supersport was not a well suspended bike until I enlisted the help of Dave Moss for some tuning guidance. The Ohlins fork felt skittish across the many tar strips on our backroads and the back end was too bouncy. The thing was ABYSMAL on rough pavement at any velocity and often speed wobbled badly while on it. At one point while travelling at a higher speed a short section of small bumps nearly put me into a tank slapper. I’ll note my riding buddies ZX6KRT did not exhibit this disconcerting trait on the same bit of road. Mr Moss's guidance really helped, but some product manager at Ducati deserves a flogging for not putting a steering damper on the SS from the factory.

Using the settings from Moss I was able to largely tame this but it never fully went away. Overall I’d say the SS has good suspenders that work significantly better if you take the time to tune it to your weight and riding habits.

As for the V2, Ducati seems to have nailed it right out of the box as there’s none of the SS’s poor behavior on rough patches or crossing train tracks. Off the showroom floor it’s much better for me than the SS. Both ends seem better balanced and the bike more stable. Dave’s tuning advice only improved the suspension action from its already strong starting point.

Having said all that I’m going to blame/lay the wobble at the feet of the Supersports geometry and lack of a steering damper.
My thoughts are the Ohlins on the SS are very slightly better dampers than the pair on the V2 - but only slightly.



Handling

This one's not even close. The V2s shorter wheelbase, tighter geometry, sportier riding position and lighter weight puts the V2 ahead in every corner, lane change and passing situation. As good a handling bike as the Supersport is, the V2 is just so easy to ride that it’s far ahead of the SSS in every handling area. If I had to describe it the V2 feels like my old 1974 CR125 Elsinore, light, flickable, easy to turn and very predictable.



Comfort.

The V2 is more comfortable than I expected, and when in a tuck it has a far more comfortable longer cockpit that allows you to hug the tank for a longer period than the SS.
The SS however with its more upright seating position holds the winning hand for comfort. You can ride the SS for hours and not need to see your chiropractor afterwards.I did a 500 Km ride on it and was still fresh when I returned home - The SS is a delight on extended trips

For their intended purposes they're equal, however since few of us race our bikes the winner in this category is the SS.



Engine
Note -My SS had a full Akropovic and up map

You know that amazing torque the SS makes when you roll it on at 5000 rpm in fifth gear to pass a car? The torque that lunges you forward? The V2 has NONE of it. The Supersport pulls like a tractor when you gas it at lower RPM- If you could get the traction you could probably use the SS to pull stumps.
The somewhat noisy engine has all the torque from what almost feels like an idle, sad it stops pulling at 10,000 rpm as it would be a more enjoyable bike to whip speed with.

By comparison the V2 shows it’s race bike prowess by being scorchingly fast - when it’s on the pipe. The thing really winds and as the tach sweeps upwards it just pulls harder and harder and the sound is an aural delight. If you're not on the pipe when you gas it the bike is a bog,zap,shift proposition. Having said that when you're above 7000 rpm the V2 is an absolute beast with arm stretching acceleration. I can only imagine what a V4 must feel like as you wind it out. V4 owners must be crazy because if you need more power than the V2 you either need an analyst or a cage - maybe both.



Transmission
Hahahahahaha- My SS had the absolutely worst transmission of any of the different bikes I've owned. My 1973 Honda 50 shifted better and it's three speed auto clutch tranny wasn't renowned for its shift quality. False neutrals on the 6 to 5 downshift on the SS happened every time out. When your darting into a corner and shift down and it false neutrals it scares the crap out of you. Add the occasional miss shift under acceleration from 2-3 and the ghosty neutral in general and the Transmission is exposed as the weakest link in the Supersport chain.

The tranny in the V2 is a delight, it allows the rider to snick through the gears both up and down with confidence. FWIW the Hydraulic clutch on the V2 is smoother and less grabby - especially when cold.



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The V2 has no fuel guage, what's up with that?

I prefer the larger "dash" on the SS to the smaller unit the V2 has as well. The larger suite of nannies on the V2 give it a edge on electronic road safety.

The SS has a dimmer for the LED DRLs the V2 lacks.

They both come with excellent Pirelli tires that hook up very well.

The mirrors on the SS are beyond horrible, useless is an apt word to describe them. The V2 mirrors could be a bit wider spaced but at least they are usable.

My SS drank oil, lots of it. I was constantly topping it up after every ride. I did a 500 KM ride in August - it was full when I left. when I got home it was on the low mark.

So after all this, in my opinion this duel has no loser. Both of these red rockets are top of their class for their intended purpose. If you're looking for a short trip, flickable bike choose the V2. The SS as a touring bike with an edge is unbeatable - Ladies and gentleman, choose your weapons.
 

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Was thinking of trading my SS in on a V2...until I rode the V2. It was at trackday. It is definitely a track bike and shines there....but I think, like most RRs now, it is so track centered that it doesn't fit well on the road. Changed my mind and stayed with the SS. Love it and luckily no problems. The SS is not a track bike. It can ride there but is a street bike. And, since my riding is 99.9% on the street....it fits what I do.

Someday when I have enough coins to have a track-only bike perhaps I'll get a V2
 

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V2 sounds nice. Except for fuel sending unit replace under warranty, I’ve had no problems. My suspension works so well, not sure I could ask for it to be better. Transmission, the same. Occasional false neutrals are my fault like accidentally closing throttle on upshift.
hope V2 works well for you, beautiful bike.
 

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I looked real hard at the V2 , but it was just not comfortable for me, the SS -S fit like a glove. ( I've broken a wrist along with 30 other bones , and at 65 comfort over performance was an easy choice) Thanks for the review!
 

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Re the fuel gauge on the V2 (or lack of) I understand that the fuel tank is a very odd shape as it extends under the seat and because there isn’t a way of getting a reliable reading from the tank it’s been omitted.
 

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Re the fuel gauge on the V2 (or lack of) I understand that the fuel tank is a very odd shape as it extends under the seat and because there isn’t a way of getting a reliable reading from the tank it’s been omitted.
Just spotted my picture :oops: I’ll update that with the new ride
 

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Not sure there ever was much of a duel here.

The SS beats the Panigale hands down for comfortable commuting and sport touring.

The Panigale beats the SS hands down for getting to and through the corners faster.

Horses for courses.

Lots of competitor bikes out there for the Panigale. Not sure there are many category competitors out there for the SS so perhaps it has its own class victory.
 
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