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Very interesting, thanks for the write up. Just about to pull the trigger on a V2 myself, the engine and box is sublime, totally fed up with the terrible gearbox on the SS and constant recalls.

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Good God peeps. My wife thanks you for saving me $16,000 USD on a 2021MY SS. You all make it sound like a piece of chit. Why would anyone pay that much money for a bike with so many problems?
 

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I had my 2020 SSS delivered a few weeks ago and assuming it’s not raining it’ll get a first ride out when our lockdown loosens a week on Monday. I’ve come from a Street Triple so I’m interested to see how the shifting and everything else compares - just moving it around the drive I have noticed that it seems to be a pig to get into neutral - hopefully when it’s warmed up it slips in a bit easier !
 

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I’ve never had a problem getting my bike into N.

My Panigale? Yes, I have to get into it from the top (2nd). I miss it every time coming from 1st. Since it’s a dedicated track bike, I really don’t care.

Anyways, my SS has a great transmission. I’ve missed a shift three times but each time it was my fault.
 

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I had my 2020 SSS delivered a few weeks ago and assuming it’s not raining it’ll get a first ride out when our lockdown loosens a week on Monday. I’ve come from a Street Triple so I’m interested to see how the shifting and everything else compares - just moving it around the drive I have noticed that it seems to be a pig to get into neutral - hopefully when it’s warmed up it slips in a bit easier !
I did the same - from a Street Tripe R 675 to the Supersport S. The Street had a lot smoother gearbox.
 

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Snap, mine was a 2015 675R
This was mine. I put the rear end of a Daytona 675R on it way before Triumph decided to add one as standard on the next model of bike - had to drill and tap the sub-frame to make mounting points
 

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Snap, mine was a 2015 675R
Id assumed that would be the case, looking forw
This was mine. I put the rear end of a Daytona 675R on it way before Triumph decided to add one as standard on the next model of bike - had to drill and tap the sub-frame to make mounting points
This was mine. I put the rear end of a Daytona 675R on it way before Triumph decided to add one as standard on the next model of bike - had to drill and tap the sub-frame to make mounting points
nothing that dramatic on mine
This was mine. I put the rear end of a Daytona 675R on it way before Triumph decided to add one as standard on the next model of bike - had to drill and tap the sub-frame to make mounting points
nothing so dramatic on mine
 

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One plus of the SS over the v2 ...the Akro full exhaust while pricey on the SS at $3k is $5400 on the V2 ...OUCH !
 

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One plus of the SS over the v2 ...the Akro full exhaust while pricey on the SS at $3k is $5400 on the V2 ...OUCH !
Yeah, the full Akra system on my 2019 Panigale (same bike, different name) is ~$5,000 USD just for parts.

Wuh?

That’s just silly talk. $5,000 for a freakin’ exhaust with a labor intensive installation?!

We’ve lost our minds as a motorcycling community. What happened to the days of a $400 FMF pipe?

So, when I found my Panigale with 146 miles for less than MSRP WITH the full Akra system already installed, I jumped at the opportunity. I essentially got all that Slovenian man jewerly for free.

I still intend to write the widow of the previous owner (heart attack) to let her know her husband’s bike went to a good home.
 

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Some of us in this group have replaced their SS with a V2. Having done so myself I thought for giggles I'd try my hand at a comparison of the two



Supersport SSS vs Panigale V2



Here we go.



Looks/Style



The first thing I’ll mention is that almost all of the people in the large group of people that ride together never even noticed I traded bikes. Both the V2 and the Supersport are drop dead gorgeous - the kind of bike you turn around to look back at when you’re walking away. In the looks department I’d say it’s a draw.



Service - the Supersport has a bit longer service interval between major services so I’d give the edge to the SS here.



Suspension- Both are well suspended bikes, with top notch dampers on both ends. The SSS has some high end Ohlins damping on each end while the V2 uses a Showa fork and Sachs shock.

As far as the action, my Supersport was not a well suspended bike until I enlisted the help of Dave Moss for some tuning guidance. The Ohlins fork felt skittish across the many tar strips on our backroads and the back end was too bouncy. The thing was ABYSMAL on rough pavement at any velocity and often speed wobbled badly while on it. At one point while travelling at a higher speed a short section of small bumps nearly put me into a tank slapper. I’ll note my riding buddies ZX6KRT did not exhibit this disconcerting trait on the same bit of road. Mr Moss's guidance really helped, but some product manager at Ducati deserves a flogging for not putting a steering damper on the SS from the factory.

Using the settings from Moss I was able to largely tame this but it never fully went away. Overall I’d say the SS has good suspenders that work significantly better if you take the time to tune it to your weight and riding habits.

As for the V2, Ducati seems to have nailed it right out of the box as there’s none of the SS’s poor behavior on rough patches or crossing train tracks. Off the showroom floor it’s much better for me than the SS. Both ends seem better balanced and the bike more stable. Dave’s tuning advice only improved the suspension action from its already strong starting point.

Having said all that I’m going to blame/lay the wobble at the feet of the Supersports geometry and lack of a steering damper.
My thoughts are the Ohlins on the SS are very slightly better dampers than the pair on the V2 - but only slightly.



Handling

This one's not even close. The V2s shorter wheelbase, tighter geometry, sportier riding position and lighter weight puts the V2 ahead in every corner, lane change and passing situation. As good a handling bike as the Supersport is, the V2 is just so easy to ride that it’s far ahead of the SSS in every handling area. If I had to describe it the V2 feels like my old 1974 CR125 Elsinore, light, flickable, easy to turn and very predictable.



Comfort.

The V2 is more comfortable than I expected, and when in a tuck it has a far more comfortable longer cockpit that allows you to hug the tank for a longer period than the SS.
The SS however with its more upright seating position holds the winning hand for comfort. You can ride the SS for hours and not need to see your chiropractor afterwards.I did a 500 Km ride on it and was still fresh when I returned home - The SS is a delight on extended trips

For their intended purposes they're equal, however since few of us race our bikes the winner in this category is the SS.



Engine
Note -My SS had a full Akropovic and up map

You know that amazing torque the SS makes when you roll it on at 5000 rpm in fifth gear to pass a car? The torque that lunges you forward? The V2 has NONE of it. The Supersport pulls like a tractor when you gas it at lower RPM- If you could get the traction you could probably use the SS to pull stumps.
The somewhat noisy engine has all the torque from what almost feels like an idle, sad it stops pulling at 10,000 rpm as it would be a more enjoyable bike to whip speed with.

By comparison the V2 shows it’s race bike prowess by being scorchingly fast - when it’s on the pipe. The thing really winds and as the tach sweeps upwards it just pulls harder and harder and the sound is an aural delight. If you're not on the pipe when you gas it the bike is a bog,zap,shift proposition. Having said that when you're above 7000 rpm the V2 is an absolute beast with arm stretching acceleration. I can only imagine what a V4 must feel like as you wind it out. V4 owners must be crazy because if you need more power than the V2 you either need an analyst or a cage - maybe both.



Transmission
Hahahahahaha- My SS had the absolutely worst transmission of any of the different bikes I've owned. My 1973 Honda 50 shifted better and it's three speed auto clutch tranny wasn't renowned for its shift quality. False neutrals on the 6 to 5 downshift on the SS happened every time out. When your darting into a corner and shift down and it false neutrals it scares the crap out of you. Add the occasional miss shift under acceleration from 2-3 and the ghosty neutral in general and the Transmission is exposed as the weakest link in the Supersport chain.

The tranny in the V2 is a delight, it allows the rider to snick through the gears both up and down with confidence. FWIW the Hydraulic clutch on the V2 is smoother and less grabby - especially when cold.



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The V2 has no fuel guage, what's up with that?

The V2 has MUCH better headlights than the Supersport - but that's really not saying much as they still ain't great.

I prefer the larger "dash" on the SS to the smaller unit the V2 has as well. The larger suite of nannies on the V2 give it a edge on electronic road safety.

The SS has a dimmer for the LED DRLs the V2 lacks.

They both come with excellent Pirelli tires that hook up very well.

The mirrors on the SS are beyond horrible, useless is an apt word to describe them. The V2 mirrors could be a bit wider spaced but at least they are usable.

My SS drank oil, lots of it. I was constantly topping it up after every ride. I did a 500 KM ride in August - it was full when I left. when I got home it was on the low mark.

So after all this, in my opinion this duel has no loser. Both of these red rockets are top of their class for their intended purpose. If you're looking for a short trip, flickable bike choose the V2. The SS as a touring bike with an edge is unbeatable - Ladies and gentleman, choose your weapons.
Amazing write up! Very blog worthy that one. Really enjoyed the read and the discussion - I know I 'need' a V2 for the track, but my wallet can't justify it when the SSS does 90% everything else!
 

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Was thinking of trading my SS in on a V2...until I rode the V2. It was at trackday. It is definitely a track bike and shines there....but I think, like most RRs now, it is so track centered that it doesn't fit well on the road. Changed my mind and stayed with the SS. Love it and luckily no problems. The SS is not a track bike. It can ride there but is a street bike. And, since my riding is 99.9% on the street....it fits what I do.

Someday when I have enough coins to have a track-only bike perhaps I'll get a V2
Same here! Wallet says 1 bike, my heart somehow still needs a V2 for the track...
 

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Not sure there ever was much of a duel here.

The SS beats the Panigale hands down for comfortable commuting and sport touring.

The Panigale beats the SS hands down for getting to and through the corners faster.

Horses for courses.

Lots of competitor bikes out there for the Panigale. Not sure there are many category competitors out there for the SS so perhaps it has its own class victory.
"The SS beats the Panigale hands down for comfortable commuting and sport touring. The Panigale beats the SS hands down for getting to and through the corners faster." - Very very very well said! (My video would have been much shorter if I'd thought of that! :)
 

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Cant find neutral, steering damper, burning oil??? I must have been exceptionally lucky, 3k miles in and none of that. Having said that im on the non-S as didnt want a quick shifter and wasnt bothered about Ohlins, maybe the basic version is better set up? And before everyone starts telling me how my life would be better with a quickshifter, i have ridden an ‘S’ when deciding which model and the quickshifter did nothing for me. I dont ride track, i can see the advantage there for laptimes. Sorry some of you are having problems but wanted to bring some balance to the forum.
 
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