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Was just rolling through youtube videos of the bike and stumbled across this one, hopefully it wasn't anyone on here :frown2:

 

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How the **** can you guys make a definitive cause assessment with just a limited rider POV?

Might have been on one of the dealer day rides. I was told that there had been at least one crash.
 

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Certainly looked like an organized ride of some kind, the group of bikes that pass right before the crash all looked like Multistrada 950s.
 

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How the **** can you guys make a definitive cause assessment with just a limited rider POV?

Might have been on one of the dealer day rides. I was told that there had been at least one crash.
Just trying to figure varies scenarios...what do think might have happened? Assuming road conditions were clean, looking at how the other rider made it thru.

Not trying to be a smart ass...just using these videos to learn
 

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Just trying to figure varies scenarios...what do think might have happened? Assuming road conditions were clean, looking at how the other rider made it thru.

Not trying to be a smart ass...just using these videos to learn
Simple answer: ego overtook his ability.

Longer answer: No more complicated than a fundamental lack of knowledge and skill to effectively turn a motorcycle. He's tied to keep the pace with the faster riders ahead (probably much faster than he normally goes), and at that faster pace his lack of skill to effectively turn the bike in a relatively simple corner brought him undone.

He probably doesn't think so, but he is very lucky. It was either a relatively soft landing in a river bed, or possibly straight into an oncoming truck if he'd run wide onto the other side of the road. One or the other was inevitable, so he's lucky to get away with the 'soft' option.
 

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Simple answer: unless someone here has more information, other than the video, all comments are opinion.

Longer answer: there is none. Refer to simple answer.
 

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Simple answer: unless someone here has more information, other than the video, all comments are opinion.

Longer answer: there is none. Refer to simple answer.
Nope, very simple, not opinion but fact, he simply didn't know how to make the bike go round the corner at the speed he was travelling. He needs to get to motorcycle school and learn and practice what makes a motorcycle turn (counter-steering, body position, peg and tank weighting) until such time as it requires no thought and is totally instinctive. That's why all the other riders easily went around the corner, and he didn't.

Watch the guy in front of him at the bridge, full control, runs a fraction wide and just pulls it back around onto the bridge. This guy just plows straight on with no control of the bike, frozen like a deer caught in the headlights. Target-fixation is a fear response AFTER someone realizes they aren't able to control the situation.

What other possibilities are there? Mechanical fault with the bike :surprise: He deliberately wanted to crash it into the guard rail ??? If you have another plausible possibility why not share it?

P.S. Actually watching a few of the road test videos I've been surprised how average a rider some of the journalists have been. Some look downright 'flaky'. Just because someone can put pen to paper doesn't automatically make them a skilled rider.
 

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Thanks John...you cant learn everything at the school and they tell you that too. But you have a point.
@oldndumb, i dont disagree with you...its probably true that we dont see the entire picture. There could be something happening that we didnt see. But motorcycle schools use videos like these to explain elements of riding and Im merely trying to do the same. Im no where near your capability in riding perhaps, and im sure you have some very good advice.

Agree that the best way to learn is when youre on the bike, but no harm in studying these videos to avoid being in a similar situation
 

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I do a good bit of SCUBA diving as well. One of the magazines I read has a dedicated column to accident/incident review. This is how we learn, how we try to make the pursuit a little safer. While we don't know for sure about this accident, the opinions are all legitimate causes of some accidents, so it's perfectly good to read and think about them even if we remain uncertain about the cause in any one accident.

I agree that curve wasn't such a sharp one at all, and it seems reasonable the rider was distracted by or trying to keep up with the folks ahead. Likely relevant, but who knows? He could have had a bee in his helmet (I did last weekend).
 

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He could have had a bee in his helmet (I did last weekend).
Holy ****...I have no idea how I would react to that and im certain no amount of prep will help me either...hahaha...I know a friend to saw a tiny spider in his...shite!
 

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All good opinions......mostly.

My point was quite simple. John said that his analysis was fact, not opinion. I personally do not believe he can back that statement up with proof. Until then, it is his opinion, correct or not. If he can, I will stand corrected.

Personally I think that amoslws probably is correct. The riding in tow boredom might have caused the rider to detect the lane narrowing down too late. Who knows, he might have been looking into the rear view mirrors too late, admiring the neato instrument display, or.....?

I have conducted and participated in enough industrial accidents/incidents reviews to know that, while initial perceptions might be valid, they are not always the direct cause. The old adage about the layers of an onion is appropriate.

And I totally agree about rider education.

mike in o.c., I never said anything was wrong with expressing opinions. I merely pointed out that a post purporting to be fact was actually an opinion. We all have opinions and share them. But, if you express something as fact, and not opinion, you should be able to back it up.
 

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Holy ****...I have no idea how I would react to that and im certain no amount of prep will help me either...hahaha...I know a friend to saw a tiny spider in his...shite!
Wait until you have a bug crawl into your ear while in traffic! You might want to freak out and panic but you will most likely maintain enough self control to pull over safely. But, if you are like me, your self control will be on the back burner when you rip that helmet off as fast as you can! :surprise:
 

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Traffic, when below 30s mph should be okay, i think, jerk reactions will be contained...its 70+ mph that freaks me out
I've got faith in you. :grin2:
But, if it ever happens to you, afterwards you will be pleasantry amazed that you controlled the terror. >:)
I guess that situation is one more reason to use ear plugs.
 
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