NEW Is 3 times a charm?

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Latebraker

Discussion Starter · Mar 8, 2017

Had 2 Ducatis, an 1198S tricolore and MS Pikes Peak version. Am playing goldilocks with Ducati it seems. The 1198S was a beautiful creation but unrideable below 130k, a BBQ strapped to a lit rocket. The MS was way to upright for all the torque and no room to move in the saddle. I think 110 HP is a perfect motor. If it fits and doesn't light my ass on fire, this is the one. Will get a test ride end of April. Have they managed to route the heat away from the rider? THAT is the question ... Anyone have that answer?

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Hexenwulfen

· #2 · Mar 8, 2017

It seems like this might finally be the bike for you. So far, no reviewers have said anything at all about engine heat, probably since the exhaust is mostly under the engine and away from the rider.

MasterMind

· #3 · Mar 8, 2017

Heat has always been an active topic when it came to Ducs but like @Hexenwulfen mentioned, I haven't heard a reviewer bring it up as of yet either. That being said, there clearly aren't enough full reviews on it yet so we'll have to wait and see. Nonetheless, welcome to the forums.

Latebraker

Discussion Starter · #4 · Mar 8, 2017

Yes it has been and I don't mean to drone on about it ... but it absolutely is a deal breaker .... and of course there is some stiff competition. It is as if all of a sudden there has been an epiphany in the industry that people don't buy sport bikes and immediately relocate to the nearest track... I love ducati bikes but it will take something special to offset the $10k I left behind .... The Triumph 675 Street triple RS and the BMW S1000R are on the radar. And believe it or not, the feature that attracts me to the BMW is not motor... its the cruise control !

John

· #5 · Mar 9, 2017 (Edited)

Latebraker said:
the BMW S1000R are on the radar. And believe it or not, the feature that attracts me to the BMW is not motor... its the cruise control !

Thanks for that great idea. Stick a touring screen on a S1000R .... 160hp, semi active suspension, MSC, cruise control, 207 Kg curb weight, steering damper, basically same price as an S..... Hard to go past.

Ed K

· #6 · Mar 9, 2017

There are so many terrific bikes out there, including the S1000R...but it's entirely different from the 939 SS. But, really, whatever floats your boat, and your preference is. We live in the Golden Age of motorcycles. Enjoy!

I'll stick with the SS.

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1lifeliveit

· #7 · Mar 9, 2017

John said:
Thanks for that great idea. Stick a touring screen on a S1000R .... 160hp, semi active suspension, MSC, cruise control, 207 Kg curb weight, steering damper, basically same price as an S..... Hard to go past.

I actually seriously considered the s1000r before the SS. Like you say, it's hard to go past, however the thing that put me off a bit was the high gearing at cruising speeds..Also the looks, never really inspired any desire.

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Hexenwulfen

· #8 · Mar 10, 2017

1lifeliveit said:
I actually seriously considered the s1000r before the SS. Like you say, it's hard to go past, however the thing that put me off a bit was the high gearing at cruising speeds..Also the looks, never really inspired any desire.

Same here. The S1000r seemed like a good compromise, but the biggest detractor for me was looks as well, really strange looking bike. I've always been more a fan of V(L)-twins anyways.

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bane

· #9 · Mar 10, 2017

Hexenwulfen said:
It seems like this might finally be the bike for you. So far, no reviewers have said anything at all about engine heat, probably since the exhaust is mostly under the engine and away from the rider.

I think we will have to wait for owner reviews to have this question answered. I believe that a lot of the heat from a ducati comes from the rear cyclinder. The fact that the seat sub frame bolts directly to the engine on the SS and the panigale is also a contributing factor to the seat heat.

Ed K

· #10 · Mar 10, 2017

Obviously the Scrambler is different in many ways, but has some commonalities. No heat issue with the Scrambler and not anticipating one with the SS.

steeve

· #11 · Mar 11, 2017

I think for you its try before you buy....... the S1000R is manic and encourages you to ride too fast...... too little wind protection for me I'm afraid and the traction control light was flashing oh so often.

You could try an MT10, it's possible to Tracerise it.

Patrick604

· #12 · Mar 11, 2017

Regarding seat heat, that is not a problem. Instead think of it as a standard feature that other companies charge extra for. My BMW has seat heaters and they are awsome on cold weather rides. They keep you from shivering for hours on end. If Ducati figures this out, they might start charging more, so don't tell them.

My guess is the only time you might notice it would be while stopped in a traffic jam. Fortunately we don't have many of those out here in the middle of nowhere.

mike in o.c.

· #13 · Mar 11, 2017

According to Zack's comments who test rode the bike for Motorcyclist Magazine, no issues with engine heat and he rode it all day.

steeve

· #14 · Mar 11, 2017

No one has brought the issue up yet, but I can imagine there might be a problem on the back of your legs with the full system.

Snyped

· #15 · Mar 11, 2017

Just a matter of waiting and finding out to see how it works for each individual I guess.

spinkick

· #16 · Mar 12, 2017

I dont think the heat is from the exhaust on the Panigale's. Its that giant cylinder right next to your thighs thats also bolted to the frame.

Latebraker

Discussion Starter · #17 · Mar 12, 2017

So many great bikes out there that aren't race reps....

It's amazing how things become clear (and the assumptions de-bunked) when you construct the complete picture ...

Here is the dyno performance of the S1k R and the SS on one chart. It highlights how distracting the peak numbers on their own can be.
I created a chart plotting the torque, in ft. lb. (Ducati insists on publishing kg-m). I attach the chart below for your collective perusal..... The SS actually pulls harder from 3k RPM through to 8k which is just about all of the SS rev band, the S1 isn't pulling away until you hit probably around 170kph. That is an irrelevant advantage unless you are running hot laps on the track ... Yes, the S1 continues to pull hard through 11k+ but by then you are looking at jail time on the street anyway ... Am I doing a good job trying to talk myself into the SS?!

Then there's price ... S1000R loaded is about CDN $17k and comes with 2 things that aren't available on the SS; cruise control DDC front suspension ... the SS S is around 16k but you have to buy both the sport pack and touring pack (couldn't find pricing but figure $2k) to get a comparable goodie list ... So the SS S costs a little more, you get a little less ( no cruise, Dynamic front susp. cornering ABS, and less top end)... but makes the S1K look the ugly sister, I mean sibling ...
So at the end of the day (week, month) it will be an emotional (read seat of the pants) decision because on just the facts (at least on paper) the jury is hung ... Come on spring!!

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stavros

· #18 · Mar 12, 2017

Latebraker said:
It's amazing how things become clear (and the assumptions de-bunked) when you construct the complete picture ...

Here is the dyno performance of the S1k R and the SS on one chart. It highlights how distracting the peak numbers on their own can be.
I created a chart plotting the torque, in ft. lb. (Ducati insists on publishing kg-m). I attach the chart below for your collective perusal..... The SS actually pulls harder from 3k RPM through to 8k which is just about all of the SS rev band, the S1 isn't pulling away until you hit probably around 170kph. That is an irrelevant advantage unless you are running hot laps on the track ... Yes, the S1 continues to pull hard through 11k+ but by then you are looking at jail time on the street anyway ... Am I doing a good job trying to talk myself into the SS?!

Then there's price ... S1000R loaded is about CDN $17k and comes with 2 things that aren't available on the SS; cruise control DDC front suspension ... the SS S is around 16k but you have to buy both the sport pack and touring pack (couldn't find pricing but figure $2k) to get a comparable goodie list ... So the SS S costs a little more, you get a little less ( no cruise, Dynamic front susp. cornering ABS, and less top end)... but makes the S1K look the ugly sister, I mean sibling ...
So at the end of the day (week, month) it will be an emotional (read seat of the pants) decision because on just the facts (at least on paper) the jury is hung ... Come on spring!!

The S1000R gives off a lot of heat riding it in the traffic from the cylinder head, burns one's inside thigh.

Ed K

· #19 · Mar 13, 2017

Interesting...thanks Late.

John

· #20 · Mar 13, 2017 (Edited)

Latebraker said:
It's amazing how things become clear (and the assumptions de-bunked) when you construct the complete picture ...

Here is the dyno performance of the S1k R and the SS on one chart. It highlights how distracting the peak numbers on their own can be.
I created a chart plotting the torque, in ft. lb. (Ducati insists on publishing kg-m). I attach the chart below for your collective perusal..... The SS actually pulls harder from 3k RPM through to 8k which is just about all of the SS rev band, the S1 isn't pulling away until you hit probably around 170kph. That is an irrelevant advantage unless you are running hot laps on the track ... Yes, the S1 continues to pull hard through 11k+ but by then you are looking at jail time on the street anyway ... Am I doing a good job trying to talk myself into the SS?!

I'd say yes you're doing a good job, as long as you recognize your kidding yourself.

An S1000R does a quarter mile time of 9.94 seconds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_motorcycles_by_acceleration That's faster than an R1, a ZX10R, Super Duke 1290, the Aprillia Tuono, and about the same as the BMW S1000RR.

If an SS can stay with a S1000R in acceleration up to 170 kph then it will be among the fastest accelerating production motorcycles in the world.

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