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standard vs. ohlins

Since the ss and sss have been around a couple of years now, I was wondering if any owners out there had owned both models over the period.
If so, I was curious what differences between the Standard and Ohlins suspension was noticed , if any, in terms of ride and handling?
 

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If you Google search Ducati Supersport review, you'll find lots from the introduction. Testers rode the SS on road and the SSS on track. Most reported their thoughts on the differences in suspension. Many felt that the SS was probably better on the road. Didn't stop me being seduced by those gold bouncy bits though.
 

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I think the Ohlins require more effort regarding setup and maintenance. But offer superior performance once dialed in. The Marchozzi / Sachs are a little more user friendly but not as precise. They usually don't need service as often. At least that's what I've learned but I've never owned a bike with Ohlins.

The typical deal is to set the sag, then go to the rebound and damper adjustments in increments.
 

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I think the Ohlins require more effort regarding setup and maintenance. But offer superior performance once dialed in. The Marchozzi / Sachs are a little more user friendly but not as precise. They usually don't need service as often. At least that's what I've learned but I've never owned a bike with Ohlins.

The typical deal is to set the sag, then go to the rebound and damper adjustments in increments.
Can’t speak for maintenance but as for dialling in the settings, it’s very easy and straightforward on the Öhlins. Not any more complicated than on other bikes with fully adjustable suspension, in my opinion.

Can’t recall anyone doing a straight up comparison between the SSS and SS, but MCN did ride the SSS (with the Öhlins that is) on the street and compared it to among others, the Panigale, where the SSS came out favourably.

My own experience is that there is no downside to the Öhlins on the street whatsoever, they can be adjusted to be anywhere from super plush to super firm.
 

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I don't think there is that much difference in between the two. Vast majority of riders, who will lack the skill, motivation or courage to set up the suspension will be equally served by either. And that being determined more on their body size more than anything else.

Those that will adjust the suspension will find even the "budget version" rather good. Range of adjustment is good and adjusters are easy to use. What is missing from the standard version compared to the Öhlins one, is the clicks in the adjusters. Also the (rear)shock lacks a compression damping adjustment. Now how important this is to the rider depends on his/hers skill level and preferences. Lack of clicks shouldn't be that big of deal, as the adjustment range is still there, it is just analogue. Compression damping might be important to person who wants to optimise the performance of the bike for instance in a racetrack. I don't think the compression damping adjustment is as important as the rebound in the rear. YMMV.
 

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I test rode an S model but bought the non-S. I can't say I noticed any big differences in how the suspension performed. I guess if I did a back to back test on both bikes I would notice it but the Marzocchi/Sachs combination works well enough for me.
One point I am aware of from my own experience is that Öhlins forks are quite prone to leaking seals. I've had to replace seals for a few owners with Öhlins forks and know of quite a few more whose Öhlins forks developed leaks from the seals at fairly low mileages. It is supposedly because Öhlins use a softer seal material to reduce stiction but this at the expense of seal life. That seems reasonable but I can't confirm it.
 

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I think the Ohlins require more effort regarding setup and maintenance. But offer superior performance once dialed in. The Marchozzi / Sachs are a little more user friendly but not as precise. They usually don't need service as often. At least that's what I've learned but I've never owned a bike with Ohlins.

The typical deal is to set the sag, then go to the rebound and damper adjustments in increments.
I don’t agree with your comments about servicing, both should be serviced at similar intervals. Suspension cycles don’t know if you are using Sachs/ Marzocchi or Ohlins.

Setup is setup. Setting sag is setting sag. Damping is set and try. No real difference in initial setup commitment.

So, Ohlins or not? To me it was a no brainer, I’m buying a motorcycle with legendary handling. $2kAUD, it’s a bargain. But I like Italian suits, Islay single malts and Southern Vales reds. I want my skills lacking, not to say I wish I bought the higher spec.

The Supersport is everything I ever wanted from a motorcycle. The Ohlins suspension is part of that. My wife is looking at the Diavel 1260, to me she should only get the Ohlins equiped version, anything else is a compromise.
 

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I don’t agree with your comments about servicing, both should be serviced at similar intervals. Suspension cycles don’t know if you are using Sachs/ Marzocchi or Ohlins.

Setup is setup. Setting sag is setting sag. Damping is set and try. No real difference in initial setup commitment.

So, Ohlins or not? To me it was a no brainer, I’m buying a motorcycle with legendary handling. $2kAUD, it’s a bargain. But I like Italian suits, Islay single malts and Southern Vales reds. I want my skills lacking, not to say I wish I bought the higher spec.

The Supersport is everything I ever wanted from a motorcycle. The Ohlins suspension is part of that. My wife is looking at the Diavel 1260, to me she should only get the Ohlins equiped version, anything else is a compromise.
I guess we can disagree. You might check the comment above mentioning leaky fork seals. I've seen that as much more common with Ohlins. Most riders don't change fluid regularly with little consequence in my experience, no so much for the Ohlins.

As I said, it might make sense to have an Ohlins specialist handy.
 

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The Öhlins would be wasted on me. I lack the skill to tax either suspension setup. in fact, I’m worried that the whole bike is being wasted on me. I took about 6 years off from street riding and have been rocking dirt bikes and dual sports during my street riding sabbatical. The SS feels heavy and fragile to me, but that’s not the bike’s fault. I just got used to riding light machines that you can drop with nary a worry. But the SS sure is a looker in my garage, like dripping hot sex on two wheels. I sure do wish I had the skills to tell one setup from the other, but I must be realistic.
 

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I bought my SS for commuter duty so I soberly realized the Öhlins would be wasted on a lot of straight line riding.

For track days, I simply consider that all the legendary MotoGP riders only a short while ago raced with less sophisticated suspension than what the Marzocchi and Sachs offer today.

To be honest, I don’t feel like I got a less-capable bike and I think the adjustability of the suspension will allow me to outride a lot of folks with the upgraded suspension.

It’s about skill first.
 

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I've been riding over 30 years with many bikes and many suspension set-ups including Ohlins.

I bought the SS as felt my money was better spent on an exhaust than on the Ohlins. The rear Sachs is great but I might drop some front cartridges in down the line as the Marzocchi are not progressives. But honestly- the bike feels great for my purposes which is street use. Very very comfortable.

As previously stated by many- set up is critical.
 

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Love my SS suspension on the road (commuter bike for me) but last week started noticing the fork sticking under braking and not rebounding until I hit throttle, dealer agrees as they tried the bike yesterday when doing my mirror recall. Now I have to lose the bike for at least 10 days as the "fiddle" getting the forks checked and work with Ducati on warranty. Just luck of the draw I guess.
 

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Love my SS suspension on the road (commuter bike for me) but last week started noticing the fork sticking under braking and not rebounding until I hit throttle, dealer agrees as they tried the bike yesterday when doing my mirror recall. Now I have to lose the bike for at least 10 days as the "fiddle" getting the forks checked and work with Ducati on warranty. Just luck of the draw I guess.
Just for a little context of the issue -

- If I’m recalling correctly, you have the standard model, not Ohlins equipped, is that right?

- Has the bike been exposed to much wet weather?

- How many miles?

Hope the dealer addresses it quickly, plz continue to keep us posted!
 

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Marzocchi 43mm on my SS, bike has been in 2-3 rain days but cleaned regularly , it’s stored indoors overnight. 2,500 miles bought in October 2018 but broke my ankle Jan 1, 19 so it sat for 3 months. I’ll Be dropping it off next week and report back when problem identified and sorted.
 

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@Maccam26 Interesting, I believe this is the first report of fork sticking. But as the bikes start to get up in age in a bit, perhaps more will be reported. Hopefully, just a little cleaning and light lube will help the forks, and they won't need seals replaced.
 

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2,500 miles? That's a bit odd. Suspension should be serviced every 12,000m/ 20,000k (which makes discussion about Ohlins fork seals being a bit soft a bit of a moot point). For stiction yhat new something must have failed internally or you bent the forks. And I'm sure you would know if you've done something that's bent the forks.

Didn't we have an early post about a bike with a wrongly assembled fork setup?
 
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