Agreed!Nits here and there to pick with some cosmetic stuff, but will say it once again: what a wonderful machine it is!
At over 2,000 miles now on mine the motor has been run-in for a while, and it's just lovely to play with throughout the rev range. Not a bad sound either...even from the stock exhaust.
Wonderful Motor
Nits here and there to pick with some cosmetic stuff, but will say it once again: what a wonderful machine it is!
At over 2,000 miles now on mine the motor has been run-in for a while, and it's just lovely to play with throughout the rev range. Not a bad sound either...even from the stock exhaust.
At over 2,000 miles now on mine the motor has been run-in for a while, and it's just lovely to play with throughout the rev range. Not a bad sound either...even from the stock exhaust.
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Time attested motor. Has proven it's reliability over 15 years. The new V4 engine is on show at misano motogp next weekend. In November they show off the panigale version 3.
It will be interesting to finally see the new V4 motor and how closely related it is to the motoGP engine (if at all). I still don't understand Ducati's motivation to move in this direction. They currently "own" the performance V-twin market and will move into a space already occupied by Aprilia with their RSV4 and Tuono models. The V-twin Panigale is successful as a race bike in BSB and WSBK against the 4-cylinder competitors. The V-twin has no more reached its design apogee than the fours and the V4 will call to question the rest of the lineup ("you got a V-twin instead of the new V4?"). Why are they doing this?The new V4 engine is on show at misano motogp next weekend. In November they show off the panigale version 3.
WSBK has specified the engine capacity may not exceed 1000cc, so the pani 1299 can no longer be raced in the wsbk from 2018. So the adopted derived technology from the motogp engine.It will be interesting to finally see the new V4 motor and how closely related it is to the motoGP engine (if at all). I still don't understand Ducati's motivation to move in this direction. They currently "own" the performance V-twin market and will move into a space already occupied by Aprilia with their RSV4 and Tuono models. The V-twin Panigale is successful as a race bike in BSB and WSBK against the 4-cylinder competitors. The V-twin has no more reached its design apogee than the fours and the V4 will call to question the rest of the lineup ("you got a V-twin instead of the new V4?"). Why are they doing this?
This is the reason that ducati gave. They reached the limits of V-twin dev and are pursuing the V4 to go beyond.The V-twin has no more reached its design apogee...
I've not read the WSBK rules lately, but I don't believe they've changed the displacement limits for 2018 - 1000cc for fours and 1200cc for twins.WSBK has specified the engine capacity may not exceed 1000cc, so the pani 1299 can no longer be raced in the wsbk from 2018. So the adopted derived technology from the motogp engine.
Guess you should read it then. There have been many complaints from other brands that run 1000cc engines at 200hp for production models, so that is the reason. Without WSBK they would not have a production race bike and likely lose significant sales so they have to change or lose sales. WSBK promotes bikes unintentionally so if the panigale is not present on the track then the perceived impact is massive. Ducati only have to produce 500 units with the V4 to comply with the WSBK regulation. So on that note I can only assume they will be producing 500 units with V4 and the others will still host the L-twin.I've not read the WSBK rules lately, but I don't believe they've changed the displacement limits for 2018 - 1000cc for fours and 1200cc for twins.
A post was submitted illustrating the V4 pani version 3 and that machine is certainly going to be homologated with Euro4 compliance.
OK, tell me what they can do to a V4 motor that can't be done to a V-twin. Yes, the V4 will rev higher due to its shorter stroke, but that's why the displacement advantage is given to the twins. OBTW, that same issue would be present if we were talking 4-cylinders versus 6-cylinders - with identical engine designs and displacements the 6-cylinder will always rev higher and make more power than the four.This is the reason that ducati gave. They reached the limits of V-twin dev and are pursuing the V4 to go beyond.
HP = Torque x RPMs
5252 , so the more RPMs the more power produced, limited by the maximum piston
speed. Shorter strokes allow greater maximum piston speed
No changes in regulament for 2018 and Panigale 1199R is on the grid. Ducati change to V4 because there is not more possibility to develop and to be competitive with V2 1200cc against 4 cilinders 1000cc
In EICMA 2017 Ducati will show the new V4 but 1100cc. Only in EICMA 2018 we'll see V4 1000cc for WSBK 2019. In 2018 Ducati will sell a bike that nobody can use in competitions. Only in 2019 Ducati will be the first to race in WSBK
In EICMA 2017 Ducati will show the new V4 but 1100cc. Only in EICMA 2018 we'll see V4 1000cc for WSBK 2019. In 2018 Ducati will sell a bike that nobody can use in competitions. Only in 2019 Ducati will be the first to race in WSBK
Oh yes I remember reading that they will use it in national championships in 2018 and then WSBK 2019. Thanks for the reminder. :grin2:No changes in regulament for 2018 and Panigale 1199R is on the grid. Ducati change to V4 because there is not more possibility to develop and to be competitive with V2 1200cc against 4 cilinders 1000cc
In EICMA 2017 Ducati will show the new V4 but 1100cc. Only in EICMA 2018 we'll see V4 1000cc for WSBK 2019. In 2018 Ducati will sell a bike that nobody can use in competitions. Only in 2019 Ducati will be the first to race in WSBK
In other words, the WSBK displacement rules don't change for 2018 and Ducati will still be racing Panigale twins.Oh yes I remember reading that they will use it in national championships in 2018 and then WSBK 2019. Thanks for the reminder. :grin2:
Again, why is Ducati making this move to a V4? I know only Ducati themselves could answer this question.
From what i read and i think its the same article that @Dany65 mentions. They have some ideas with the V4 and dont see room for more dev on the V2.In other words, the WSBK displacement rules don't change for 2018 and Ducati will still be racing Panigale twins.
Again, why is Ducati making this move to a V4? I know only Ducati themselves could answer this question.
Could be, but there is nothing you could do to a V4 you couldn't also do to a V-twin motor. There is no "silver bullet" in going to a V4, even for racing.From what i read and i think its the same article that @Dany65 mentions. They have some ideas with the V4 and dont see room for more dev on the V2.
In the past Ducati won lot of races with V twin because the engine had more torque than a 4 cylinders. In last years and since Panigale is born, Ducati needed more speed and now Superquadro has torque in higher rpm and has lost typical character of V twin. Gigi Dall'Igna said that the margin of development for V twin is very poor, but Ducati, with the experience in MotoGP with Desmosedici, can return very competitive in WSBK
Well, if you want to get all mathy, then volume = bore x stroke. For a shorter stroke you need to increase bore to maintain volume. Larger bores means heavier pistons which are much harder to start/stop from that increased piston speed max accel/decel at the middle of the stroke.HP = Torque x RPMs
5252 , so the more RPMs the more power produced, limited by the maximum piston
speed. Shorter strokes allow greater maximum piston speed
It's all a balancing act. V twins make exceptional torque at the cost of limited engine speeds. Inline 4s get you the fastest engine speeds and highest power, but torque figures struggle. V-4's get you a little of each. Ultimately, the engine with the largest area under the torque curve will win and Ducati thinks the V4 is the answer to that. Considering that they have hundreds of millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of hours in research and all I have is a chalupa, I'm guessing theirs is the right answer.
I think we can all agree that we are a little tired of the kawasaki winning season after season in the WSBK. Now if Ducati have the technology and research at their disposal then yes they must use it. We all love the sound of the L-twin and will miss it in decades to come but to make sales and stay afloat they have to be faster than those green machines so onwards to the V4 it is.
Back in the day they were racing bikes with a single cylinder and we still enjoy the sound of them but they have not been competitive for a long time now so V4 is the next and natural step forward. Lets embrace it with passion and look after our little SS even more.
Back in the day they were racing bikes with a single cylinder and we still enjoy the sound of them but they have not been competitive for a long time now so V4 is the next and natural step forward. Lets embrace it with passion and look after our little SS even more.
Ducati have quite plainly stated why they are going V4.
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