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Discussion starter · #21 · (Edited)
Another update and a correction :rolleyes: As mentioned way up above, I didn't feel that all the mid-range response had returned even with the FR UpMap. I made good on my threat and loaded the FD (db killers IN) map instead and I'm a lot happier with it now. The slightly wheezy mid-range response has all but disappeared and the bike feels much more like it did originally, albeit with a stronger top end. I probably should have studied the maps' torque curves first! (as below) The FD is definitely more linear in torque delivery and the FR actually takes a dip between 3 and 4000 rpm as well as having less total torque in this range. The FR is faster on top and the bike seems to get a mild second-wind kick above 6000rpm. My plan now is to do everyday riding with the FD map and use the FR only if I do a track day. It just feels stronger and more usable sub 6000 rpm with the FD map and this is of course where you spend a lot of time on the street.

Also, a correction about an assumption I'd made about the Vandemon pipe. I thought the new front header was larger diameter (see comparison image below) and was blaming it for some of the torque loss, to the point where I was thinking about refitting the OEM header and getting an adapter or something made up to connect it to the rest of the new system. So, I got round to actually measuring the OD's of the OEM and Vandemon pipe and they are the same! I thought the OEM pipe may be double walled therefore actually smaller internally but when I measured it (see below) it is within a mm of the stated Vandemon size - 53mm OD less 2 x 1.2mm wall thickness.

In summary, short of going to a full control piggyback ECU, the spec that works best for me with the Vandemon exhaust is UpMap FD with 02 sensors disconnected.
 
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No worries @Ed K, the forum has been very helpful to me and I figure that by sharing my experience, others may be able to save time and money.
 
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I would say the low range power is 90 to 95% fine. It's hard for me to directly compare now of course, but if I was being critical there is maybe half a second softer response before the torque comes on when opening the throttle between 3 and 4000 rpm. Maybe because of all the things I tried I'm not remembering precisely how it was and I'm looking for something I never had! The UpMap FD certainly improved things compared to the pipe alone.

This is the only pic I have atm but I'll try to remember to take a full bike pic next time I have the cover off. This was taken before it was run and changed colour.
 
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Thanks for this writeup. I'll be swapping my V2 for a 950S in the spring and I need that Ducati sound. I've been told 939 pipes work. This pipe appears to be just the ticket. I like the way it looks better than the Termi, I like that it's louder than the slipons which I've heard described as a fart in a mitten, and I'm not a fan of the wheelbarrow pipes. Visually I need that space between the wheel and the tail.

Based on your dyno graphs it looks like both maps are stronger than stock everywhere, if the blue lines are indeed stock. So I'm not sure why you say low range is 90-95% fine?

And I'd love to see a side pic of the bike with the carbon fiber cover on and off. Thanks again.
 
Thanks for this writeup. I'll be swapping my V2 for a 950S in the spring and I need that Ducati sound. I've been told 939 pipes work. This pipe appears to be just the ticket. I like the way it looks better than the Termi, I like that it's louder than the slipons which I've heard described as a fart in a mitten, and I'm not a fan of the wheelbarrow pipes. Visually I need that space between the wheel and the tail.

Based on your dyno graphs it looks like both maps are stronger than stock everywhere, if the blue lines are indeed stock. So I'm not sure why you say low range is 90-95% fine?

And I'd love to see a side pic of the bike with the carbon fiber cover on and off. Thanks again.
Don't expect the 950 to make power like the V2. If you want to kick it up, go with a 14T front sprocket, the bike's a little overgeared. I can't comment on which exhaust is the best.
 
Don't expect the 950 to make power like the V2. If you want to kick it up, go with a 14T front sprocket, the bike's a little overgeared. I can't comment on which exhaust is the best.
I'm not expecting top end power. I am expecting better low/mid torque, and greater comfort. I'm looking at 50 next year and I don't ride track. I bought the V2 knowing it probably wouldn't last due to the ergonomics, but a Ducati superbike has been on the bucket list since college. Had to be done. 2100 miles later, it's done. Maybe someday I'll have the financial freedom to own a street bike and a track bike and do regular track days. Then I'll get another V2.
 
I'm not expecting top end power. I am expecting better low/mid torque, and greater comfort. I'm looking at 50 next year and I don't ride track. I bought the V2 knowing it probably wouldn't last due to the ergonomics, but a Ducati superbike has been on the bucket list since college. Had to be done. 2100 miles later, it's done. Maybe someday I'll have the financial freedom to own a street bike and a track bike and do regular track days. Then I'll get another V2.
Then put on 14T front sprocket for $20 on the 950 and you're done. :geek:
 
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Thanks for this writeup. I'll be swapping my V2 for a 950S in the spring and I need that Ducati sound...
Hi Alpiner. Obviously, I agree with your thoughts about the appearance of the pipe - reminiscent of the original but lighter and sounds better. I would however strongly suggest double checking compatibility of this pipe with the 950. I think I read somewhere that the headers are different, plus if it was compatible, I'd think Vandemon would promote it as such.

Regarding the dyno graphs, these are the published UpMap graphs when used with the Termignoni D181 pipe (with and without db killer) The Vandemon is similar enough in flow, backpressure etc to benefit from the maps but it is not a perfect match. Running the pipe without the map left a noticeable hole in the mid-range response and strength. The FD map restored all but a fraction of a second response time and added a much stronger top end.

Hope this helps. I'll publish those pics next time I have the cover off.
 
@bobster the US models of the 950 use the 939 pipes since they do not need to be Euro 5 compliant. It’s been documented and tested multiple times on the forum and on the Facebook groups, there should not be any issues running the Vandemon pipe on his bike.
 
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@bobster the US models of the 950 use the 939 pipes since they do not need to be Euro 5 compliant. It’s been documented and tested multiple times on the forum and on the Facebook groups, there should not be any issues running the Vandemon pipe on his bike.
@Miweber929 Good info. Thanks Mike!
 
Then put on 14T front sprocket for $20 on the 950 and you're done. :geek:
14T doesn't work on a 950 - apparently it throws up error messages on the dash :(
 
Never heard about this before. I'd be interested what codes are being put out. I've been thinking of trying the 14T next year for the track days.
 
Thre are lots of conversations about the 14T and codes.
 
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