All New Ducati V2
Ed K
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Now you are talking..I too would invest in this!Too bad there is no big bore kit for the SS. That I would have liked to look into
YOUR Questions Answered | 2025 Ducati Panigale V2
10:35 Alistair Fagan on the current SS950 "quite orthopedic, quite kind of "old man"
Ouch!
10:35 Alistair Fagan on the current SS950 "quite orthopedic, quite kind of "old man"
Ouch!
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Alister or Al Fagen. One of the 44Teeth guys.
Don't know them but looked at their website and most of the bikes were 20+ years old......"orthopedic" being their style.
If you scroll to 10:25 in the video, he does seem to be talking about the current SuperSport in terms of its ergonomics, not particularly on road or track, but he does go on to say that the '25 Panigale would be a better track bike, which seems obvious. My attempt at humor point was that he didn't have to remind us that many of us are heading into the "old man" category! 😆 😯
I thought he was making the point about track riding the two bikes, perhaps he'd be better to compare the two V2s rather than the SS? No question that most people would find the SS a little more comfy.
I really don't know who the guy is or what 44 molars is about. He's a guy sitting in chair telling us which bike is best to ride. I've done the same, since I always like to ride someone else's bike and tell you why I like it (the exception was the T7 which was just too tall). One thing I always notice about these testers, they always like the new bike better that the old one. Then ten years later they do a retrospect and tell you how those old bikes were really great.
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This.
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So then tell me what someone who is hired to be a bike tester is supposed to say? Saying a bike is better than the last one isn't saying the last one was bad. Using that logic would mean there is no reason for anyone to ever build another bike because the '01 CBR929RR, '99 996, '06 GSX-R1000 we're all great sportbikes at one time...
One of the reasons I like Neevesy and the 44Teeth guys (if you haven't fully checked out their content you are missing some of the best British humor and motorcycle content available. Calling them "orthopedic" is just so wrong on so many levels...) is they will absolutely tell you (which Fagen did MULTIPLE times in that 11 minute video) there are things about the previous V2 that were better and things about other bikes that are better. But he said the new V2 was a blast to ride, that's all; nothing more, nothing less. He never even said to go out and buy one, just that a shootout between it, the R9 and another bike I can't remember was in order (KTM990 I think) and it was a fun ride.
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Looking forward especially to the R9 vs V2 face-off.
My guess is the R9 will be equal to or better than the V2 on the road and track, but things will be said about higher quality and refinement of the V2. Maybe also better brakes on the V2.
My guess is the R9 will be equal to or better than the V2 on the road and track, but things will be said about higher quality and refinement of the V2. Maybe also better brakes on the V2.
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Yeah, 44teeth also did a “viewer’s question” and they where totally upfront about the new V2 having less oopmh/less of a straight line thrill compared to the old V2 and the he personally would choose the v4 over the v2 any day, just because the new V2 while incredibly fun was missing that little extra top end kick.
So agree that many reviewers are not just kowtowing to the party line. Both those you mention are my go to reviewers too.
Not enough time in the day to watch all the vids. Certainly, if you enjoy it, but not me. If I were researching a particular bike, I might do that. I'll take time to read or skim for pleasure and knowledge, but very seldom sit and watch a video.
The V2 seems like a nice bike. If I had a chance to ride one, I'd do it. Seems like a slightly sportier and faster but uncomfortable version of the SS. I'd rather have more power but want at least much comfort, perhaps a little more leg room.
I'd vote the other way. I'd bet the V2 is a little better performer.
I think it's going to be really interesting to see how the strong R9 CP3 mid-range compares to the new V2. Interestingly, the testers are already saying that the V2 will lift the front in first/second/third from about 4k rpm, so it must be quite impressive. My feel is that the R9 will have the advantage at high rpm which will no doubt help on track but for street use may not be a huge advantage. Looks like the V2 might have a small weight advantage of about 5kg (estimated wet weights)
While I was checking out the R9 specs I noticed the pricing and compared it the V2. For the record, rideaway pricing in Australia - AUD with USD equivalent:
R9 $23,200 / $14,750 (Introductory price until March 31st)
V2 $24,500 / $15,600
V2S $26,800 / $17,000
Makes the standard V2 look like good value, not that many of this spec ever seem to be sold.
R9 $23,200 / $14,750 (Introductory price until March 31st)
V2 $24,500 / $15,600
V2S $26,800 / $17,000
Makes the standard V2 look like good value, not that many of this spec ever seem to be sold.
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I’m certainly not suggesting you drop everything and start watching 8-10 years of online videos. I’m simply saying their channel and content is quite good, quite honest and quite entertaining, “skimming” one of their videos or even even worse jumping to a conclusion without even watching it is doing yourself a disservice. Their Budget Bike Battles, a series of videos where they go on an adventure with older, cheap bikes to crazy destinations, are more entertaining than any tv show, streaming series or movie out today. And their new bike reviews are some of the more honest ones out there. Your loss, then.
So I gotta ask, how do you come up with an opinion on these videos and their content if you’re not watching them? You might have known who Fagen is if you’d watched the video, lol!!!
@Miweber929 I fast forwarded and saw & heard what he said.
I think his comment was about track riding. The old V2 is better than the new one, the old SS isn't. OK. That's all I know of the guy. So why the 3rd degree? You didn't like the SS and got rid of it. I've been putting up with few repairs and hung on to it. If Ed's bike looked and rode like mine, I might trade. But here we are.
I don't know 44 and don't care. If some day he does something I actually care about, I hope to see it. But not today.
I think his comment was about track riding. The old V2 is better than the new one, the old SS isn't. OK. That's all I know of the guy. So why the 3rd degree? You didn't like the SS and got rid of it. I've been putting up with few repairs and hung on to it. If Ed's bike looked and rode like mine, I might trade. But here we are.
I don't know 44 and don't care. If some day he does something I actually care about, I hope to see it. But not today.
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There have been many great periods in internal combustion motorcycle history, but it sure seems the period we are in right now is Golden.
We are very fortunate to live in a time when it’s hard to find an unreliable motorcycle these days. (At least compared with years ago.) Then it just comes down to rider performance preferences, price point, and style.
One thing already seems evident: if choosing between an R9 and V2, I don't think either choice will be a disappointment.
But it will still be fun to read about and watch the face-off! I believe it will be a close call.
We are very fortunate to live in a time when it’s hard to find an unreliable motorcycle these days. (At least compared with years ago.) Then it just comes down to rider performance preferences, price point, and style.
One thing already seems evident: if choosing between an R9 and V2, I don't think either choice will be a disappointment.
But it will still be fun to read about and watch the face-off! I believe it will be a close call.
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