[Miweber929]

@Miweber929 I fast forwarded and saw & heard what he said.

I think his comment was about track riding. The old V2 is better than the new one, the old SS isn't. OK. That's all I know of the guy. So why the 3rd degree? You didn't like the SS and got rid of it. I've been putting up with few repairs and hung on to it. If Ed's bike looked and rode like mine, I might trade. But here we are.

I don't know 44 and don't care. If some day he does something I actually care about, I hope to see it. But not today.

Chill out, my friend, no third degree. But you’re making a ton of assumptions about what was said on a video you admittedly didn’t watch, about a crew (there’s more than 1 guy) you also admittedly don’t know about, and about a bike you mentioned multiple times you don’t like. You’re pulling things out that weren’t said; if you’d take the 11 minutes out you’d know what was actually said instead of projecting what you think is being said.

I’m not exactly sure why you have to sad face react to everything I ever quote you on, you’ve done that for years now; a question is simply a question, no other harm meant.

 

[Dino de Laurentiis]

The V2 seems like a nice bike. If I had a chance to ride one, I'd do it. Seems like a slightly sportier and faster but uncomfortable version of the SS. I'd rather have more power but want at least much comfort, perhaps a little more leg room.

From where do you get this? All reviews I’ve seen says the 25 V2 is very comfortable, both bars, seat and overall riding position. Mind, that is perhaps in comparison to the old V2 which was decidedly not comfortable, but MCN said that they could ride the V2 all day without getting tired really.

 

[Invincible]

From where do you get this? All reviews I’ve seen says the 25 V2 is very comfortable, both bars, seat and overall riding position

Compared to the SS, it isn't comfortable. More comfortable than the old V2, sure, but not as comfortable as the SS. I already sat on the new V2 - only in jeans and sneakers, mind you, but my dealer had both the old V2 and SS in the room as well
I'd say it is quite in the middle between old v2 and SS. I'd still give it a whirl when my dealer has a proper demo bike (the one I sat on was "on tour" from dealer to dealer), but it won't replace my SS, as I couldn't even cope with the stock ergonomics of the SS for long.

 

[Dino de Laurentiis]

Compared to the SS, it isn't comfortable. More comfortable than the old V2, sure, but not as comfortable as the SS. I already sat on the new V2 - only in jeans and sneakers, mind you, but my dealer had both the old V2 and SS in the room as well
I'd say it is quite in the middle between old v2 and SS. I'd still give it a whirl when my dealer has a proper demo bike (the one I sat on was "on tour" from dealer to dealer), but it won't replace my SS, as I couldn't even cope with the stock ergonomics of the SS for long.

Ah, I see thanks. The SS is indeed super comfortable. I can ride all day on it without feeling sore, even long stretches of highway, so for me there is some margin for slightly worse comfort if it means a more agile bike. Suppose the main advantage is on track though, on the road I rarely push the limits.

 

[LowRyter]

From where do you get this? All reviews I’ve seen says the 25 V2 is very comfortable, both bars, seat and overall riding position. Mind, that is perhaps in comparison to the old V2 which was decidedly not comfortable, but MCN said that they could ride the V2 all day without getting tired really.

Where? My eyes.

 

[LowRyter]

Chill out, my friend, no third degree. But you’re making a ton of assumptions about what was said on a video you admittedly didn’t watch, about a crew (there’s more than 1 guy) you also admittedly don’t know about, and about a bike you mentioned multiple times you don’t like. You’re pulling things out that weren’t said; if you’d take the 11 minutes out you’d know what was actually said instead of projecting what you think is being said.

I’m not exactly sure why you have to sad face react to everything I ever quote you on, you’ve done that for years now; a question is simply a question, no other harm meant.

I'm not making assumptions. I saw the part that was mentioned about the bike being "orthopedic", I thought the reference concerned track riding. But if not, OK fine. Who cares?

That's about all I wrote, other than I have no patience to watch videos. I can ride myself and don't need to watch someone else do it. If I can read something, I can skim and scan.

I guess I'm doing the internet wrong again.

Lately, I've had some issues I've discussed here and am a little crabby. No need to take my last nerve when it's only opinions about trivial stuff.

 

[Miweber929]

so for me there is some margin for slightly worse comfort if it means a more agile bike.

See, I think that’s going to be the “advantage“ to this new V2: sharper handling, more “alive” feel, significantly lighter, yet still semi-comfortable and with the cruise you’ll be able to rest the wrists which will make up for the lower bars over the SS. I felt like the SS was a sharp handling bike until I test rode a few bikes before settling on my Street Triple RS and realized it wasn’t really as agile as I thought, I’d been riding less aggressive bikes a while.

 

[Dino de Laurentiis]

See, I think that’s going to be the “advantage“ to this new V2: sharper handling, more “alive” feel, significantly lighter, yet still semi-comfortable and with the cruise you’ll be able to rest the wrists which will make up for the lower bars over the SS. I felt like the SS was a sharp handling bike until I test rode a few bikes before settling on my Street Triple RS and realized it wasn’t really as agile as I thought, I’d been riding less aggressive bikes a while.

yeah, it wasn’t really until I took the SS on track for the first time that I really felt that it wasn’t maybe as quick handling as I had thought. Not that it’s slow or sluggish in any way, I really think it’s quite quick but there was just this feeling that “something” was missing in the corners on track. On the road I very rarely notice it.

I’ve asked the question on here before what specifically makes the SS a bit sluggish, but no real answers on that. Just curious, what if anything could be done to make the SS handle sharper. Obviously, the weight is a big thing, 210 kg vs 180 kg makes a difference. Rake is just 0.4 degree difference. Wheelbase is just 13 mm in favour of the V2. Trail is actually 2 mm MORE on the V2 than the SS.

I would imagine maybe engine inertia is a factor. The lighter engine in the v2 surely means the engine internals is where a lot of that weight has gone and therefore less inertia.

Maybe there aren’t so much to be done on the SS, apart from losing most of the heavy stuff like battery and exhaust, and maybe dropping the forks a mm or two in the clamps?

 

[Miweber929]

I think weight, where the weight is carried, wheelbase (13mm is not a lot but it’s not insignificant), and trail more than rake give it the “stable“ feeling more on the quicker feeling bikes. You could try to raise the rear a bit, maybe a 180/60 tire, over lowering the already low ground/tight front fender to radiator clearance the bike has. The 30kg, or 61lbs is a lot of weight to be carrying around, whipping side to side. Other than pulling off unneeded stuff and dropping the heavy exhaust there isn’t much else to lose on the SS.

 

[Ed K]

 

[Ed K]

Wet weight savings figure still seems off to me, more like approx 20 lbs between standard 2025 V2 and standard 2024 model when normalized for fuel tank size. (2025 tank holds 4.0 gallons fuel, 2024 holds 4.5 gallons.)

2025 Ducati Panigale V2 S First Ride Review

The 2025 Ducati Panigale V2 S has less power than the previous model but has a higher power-to-weight ratio. We ride it to see how it performs.

www.cycleworld.com

 

[Miweber929]

The more reviews I read on this bike the more curious I am with how it will ride on the street. Different system, but the Honda V-Tech in the VFR was kind of a flop because the transition between 2 and 4 valves was abrupt in the mid-range you run at street speeds. I’m wondering how smooth the VVT is on this bike; will there be a transition rpm that you don’t feel when either being on or off the throttle at a track day like all the tests are? Or a weird mid-range burp as it figures out where to set itself? I’m guessing no but still, everything is track reviews so far.

I know where Ducati was aiming for this bike but I wonder if it was $14,000 for the non-S and $16,000 for the S if it wouldn’t be a better seller? I know when I bought my ‘17 S as a leftover in later ‘18 it was because it was $12,500 and not the $15k list, was a great price for a great bike but at $15k I didn’t even consider it. I kind of feel like the $19k list might make it a long term slow sell; you'll have the initial sell out of those willing to pay for it but long term will it sustain sales? Thinking along the lines of the Jeep Gladiator, you can’t give them away after the first batch sold.

 

[LowRyter]

@Miweber929

I'll eat half a crow on this bike. I was making unverified claims regarding comfort on the new V2. Well shame on me.

Yesterday I went to the dealer and sat on the 2025 V2. It was a bit more aggressive than the SS, but it wasn't terrible. Too uncomfy for me, but I could perhaps do an over nighter on it. So I talked to a salesman, he told me it was the legacy bike, not the new one.

Well my, if the new one is more comfy, then I should just wait and see and not prejudge it.

 

[Dino de Laurentiis]

The more reviews I read on this bike the more curious I am with how it will ride on the street. Different system, but the Honda V-Tech in the VFR was kind of a flop because the transition between 2 and 4 valves was abrupt in the mid-range you run at street speeds. I’m wondering how smooth the VVT is on this bike; will there be a transition rpm that you don’t feel when either being on or off the throttle at a track day like all the tests are? Or a weird mid-range burp as it figures out where to set itself? I’m guessing no but still, everything is track reviews so far.

I know where Ducati was aiming for this bike but I wonder if it was $14,000 for the non-S and $16,000 for the S if it wouldn’t be a better seller? I know when I bought my ‘17 S as a leftover in later ‘18 it was because it was $12,500 and not the $15k list, was a great price for a great bike but at $15k I didn’t even consider it. I kind of feel like the $19k list might make it a long term slow sell; you'll have the initial sell out of those willing to pay for it but long term will it sustain sales? Thinking along the lines of the Jeep Gladiator, you can’t give them away after the first batch sold.

The new V2 is considerably cheaper than the old V2 so if the old one sold, I’m sure the new will sell as well. Would imagine neither was or will be Ducatis biggest selling model though.

 

[Swamper]

@Miweber929

I'll eat half a crow on this bike. I was making unverified claims regarding comfort on the new V2. Well shame on me.

Yesterday I went to the dealer and sat on the 2025 V2. It was a bit more aggressive than the SS, but it wasn't terrible. Too uncomfy for me, but I could perhaps do an over nighter on it. So I talked a salesman, he told me it was the legacy bike, not the new one.

Well my, if the new one is more comfy, then I should just wait and see and not prejudge it.

So does that mean you were sitting on a 2024 V2?

 

[Miweber929]

The new V2 is considerably cheaper than the old V2 so if the old one sold, I’m sure the new will sell as well. Would imagine neither was or will be Ducatis biggest selling model though.

The non-S is, but looking at Cycle Trader shows the 24/25 (leave it to Ducati to have 3 versions of the 2025 Ducati V2, the “old” V2 version and the 2 updated versions, lol!!!) is $18.6K for a new ‘24s and $18.8k for a new ‘25 of the old version. The non s is $16k, still a big premium over the $12.5k R9. Time will tell how it sells long term, my prediction is you’ll see leftover ‘25s discounted in ‘26.

 

[LowRyter]

So does that mean you were sitting on a 2024 V2?

2025 version of the 2024 bike. Not the new one.

To be honest, I'd like to ride one.

 

[Ed K]

https://www.motorcycle.com/bikes/manufacturer/ducati/2025-ducati-panigale-v2-s-review-first-ride-44618473

 

[gjuko]

I am very much interested to see what the bike is like riding on the street - as in everyday riding.

 

[Ed K]